tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post2372517379840383747..comments2023-10-29T13:33:18.452+00:00Comments on Anthony Peake's Cheating The Ferryman Blog Page: How Many Times....?Anthony Peakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12199138770925114308noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-89900114359340365222008-06-18T08:35:00.000+01:002008-06-18T08:35:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: I hope this is now an end to this matt...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: I hope this is now an end to this matter.Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-37247388059785352802008-06-18T08:34:00.000+01:002008-06-18T08:34:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: To repeat (yet again) and apologies to...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: To repeat (yet again) and apologies to everyone else:<BR/><BR/>At 01:54 I said:<BR/>"<I>My comment was in relation to Johar's question of whether we evolve a feeling of determinism or free will. Including your comment about the development of self-awareness or a genetic predisposition led me to posit that genetic make-up doesn't alter in recurrences, whereby self-awareness may well do.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Now, some 6 and a half hours later you still seem fixated on me NOT answering your question, which I plainly have.<BR/><BR/>And I certainly do NOT agree that you are anywhere near clear!Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-27613751717756927752008-06-18T08:33:00.000+01:002008-06-18T08:33:00.000+01:00I've re-read the entire post..I'm 80% at fault and...I've re-read the entire post..<BR/><BR/>I'm 80% at fault and got extremely confused, i whole heartedly admit that and i apologise Ok!!!<BR/><BR/>But the whole thing pretty much stemed from the initial misinterpretation from Karl,<BR/><BR/>Karl, again i admit afterwards i got myself in such a muddle i completely understand why you have replied in the way that you did, you were right to ok?<BR/><BR/>But the first 2 posts between us is all i'm talking about, ignore EVERYITHING ELSE!!<BR/><BR/>All i wanted was for you to admit what you have admitted, that my first post makes sense, if this is the case and you knew that at the time, which you clearly didn't (probably because of how i followed up on it) than you wouldn't have written the intital reply, this is where you still don't make sense. If you thought i made sense at the time, you wouldn't have written it.<BR/><BR/>Going to be a long day for me at work now!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-60566022798881687492008-06-18T08:11:00.000+01:002008-06-18T08:11:00.000+01:00Johar wrote:"Now, do you mean pre-destined to reac...Johar wrote:<BR/><BR/>"Now, do you mean pre-destined to react in such a way because of the initial Virgin Life genetic make-up?"<BR/><BR/>Yes Johar, yes i do.<BR/><BR/> "In which case I understand your question but can see where Karl may have thought you meant the genetic make-up within the IMAX, which doesn't exist as you've already agreed."<BR/><BR/>Exactly, so in summary, i didn't say anyything that wasn't clear as you have understood what i was arguing, Karl misinterpreted (wether it was a harmless mistake is not the point) my post as i later did his, all i asked several times is why did he imply that i had said such a thing, i know i didn't because i wrote it! Nothing more, nothing less, it took me repeating the question four times (but pretty much 5) to get this reply:<BR/><BR/>"Yes, I know that in your first comment you don't imply that it would"<BR/><BR/>If this is the case and he knows that i never implied it, why did he write that response? Karl has changed his position if any of you look at it carefuly. Misunderstandings are fine, i make them all the time but don't imply that it stemed from my original post because Karl agrees (now) that i was perfectly clear!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-63303832931801274552008-06-18T08:01:00.000+01:002008-06-18T08:01:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: Very little of what you've been saying...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: Very little of what you've been saying on this makes sense!<BR/><BR/>If you read the comments of myself and Johar from a few hours ago, it is the hope of this blogger (and so it seems from email many more) that you will simply accept this, as everything in that last comment has again previously addressed and answered.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-25762129383344228942008-06-18T07:50:00.000+01:002008-06-18T07:50:00.000+01:00Maybe it's the 3 hours sleep but if you are now sa...Maybe it's the 3 hours sleep but if you are now saying the following:<BR/><BR/>Karl L Le Marcs said... <BR/>Hurlyburly: Yes, I know that in your first comment you don't imply that it would. As I said before, it was on the TWO later occasions when you DID disagree with me that was the issue (owing to you mis-reading it)<BR/><BR/>How can your immediate reply telling me <BR/> <BR/>Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!<BR/><BR/>...have any relevance or jusitfication to me if it was directed at comments that i hadn't even made yet!!!!??????<BR/><BR/>You start the with Martin so you're clearly talking to me!!??<BR/><BR/>Things got a little bit heated so i'll apologise again (as i never have a problem doing), but my position hasn't changed one bit, in fact now i see your reply telling me your reply was directed at comments which came afterwards, i'm now 1000% sure i am making complete sense!<BR/><BR/>How can you be replying to something i havn't written yet? If you know i wasn't implying the gentic make up changes then why did you write that??? It makes NO sense!!!!!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-66970773644273623142008-06-18T03:42:00.000+01:002008-06-18T03:42:00.000+01:00Johar: *smiles*I do think the title of your post h...<B>Johar</B>: *smiles*<BR/><BR/>I do think the title of your post has become somewhat ironic given the numver of attempts I made to bring that *LightBulb* moment we often talk about.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, finally got there in the end, which is the main thing!<BR/><BR/>And ah! Yes, much, much more to come! You should hear Tony and I discussing these matters! Now THAT will make your eyes pop out!<BR/><BR/>And you could never be a Mutation, JoJo<BR/><BR/>*smile*Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-21077421695080300782008-06-18T03:39:00.000+01:002008-06-18T03:39:00.000+01:00What question was that? It was soooo long ago!Oh y...What question was that? <BR/><BR/>It was soooo long ago!<BR/><BR/>Oh yes, your reply to my rather ruminative question was great thanks, with the tantalizing promise of more to come!<BR/><BR/>Although the idea of being a Mutation doesn't sound very attractive!<BR/>Sounds like something from Total Recall<BR/><BR/>Tajoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11493912194385361484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-61626033635481093482008-06-18T03:31:00.000+01:002008-06-18T03:31:00.000+01:00Johar: *giggle*"Genetic make-up" FABO gag!!Yeah, s...<B>Johar</B>: *giggle*<BR/>"Genetic make-up" FABO gag!!<BR/><BR/>Yeah, sorry about all that!<BR/><BR/>Erm, have I answered your initial question anyway?<BR/><BR/>LOLKarl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-40550696670232164742008-06-18T03:29:00.000+01:002008-06-18T03:29:00.000+01:00I'll pick you 2 up some handbags whilst I'm out!*g...I'll pick you 2 up some handbags whilst I'm out!<BR/><BR/>*grin*joharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11493912194385361484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-22868039552985682252008-06-18T03:21:00.000+01:002008-06-18T03:21:00.000+01:00Your welcome Karl.I really must go to Boots now I'...Your welcome Karl.<BR/><BR/>I really must go to Boots now I've run out of Genetic make-up and I feel naked without it!!<BR/><BR/>*giggle*joharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11493912194385361484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-76353522275177789142008-06-18T02:19:00.000+01:002008-06-18T02:19:00.000+01:00Johar: Thank YOU !!!!!!!!!<B>Johar</B>: Thank YOU !!!!!!!!!Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-1257130381533540482008-06-18T02:17:00.000+01:002008-06-18T02:17:00.000+01:00Hurly, This is what you said in your first comment...Hurly, This is what you said in your first comment:<BR/><BR/>"If somebody such as yourself decides to do something different are they doing it because they have developed awareness or is it simply that they are pre-destined to react in such a way due to their genetic make-up?"<BR/><BR/>Now, do you mean pre-destined to react in such a way because of the initial Virgin Life genetic make-up?<BR/><BR/>In which case I understand your question but can see where Karl may have thought you meant the genetic make-up within the IMAX, which doesn't exist as you've already agreed.joharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11493912194385361484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-20798757334681128552008-06-18T02:12:00.000+01:002008-06-18T02:12:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: Yes, I know that in your first comment...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: Yes, I know that in your first comment you don't imply that it would. As I said before, it was on the TWO later occasions when you DID disagree with me that was the issue (owing to you mis-reading it)Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-20448555694294298582008-06-18T02:08:00.000+01:002008-06-18T02:08:00.000+01:00Nowhere in that first post does it imply that gene...Nowhere in that first post does it imply that genetic make up would alter in the imax. My comment clearly points out some personalities are prone to refelction. I then talk about how and possibly why (genes) people think they're making changes, people making changes doesn't equate to genetics changing, not in the slightest. I'm implying exactly the opposite, people are doing what they are perhaps meant to and comfusing it with self awareness.Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-3723680768037476352008-06-18T01:54:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:54:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: I've made no mistake to defend!My comm...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: I've made no mistake to defend!<BR/><BR/>My comment was in relation to Johar's question of whether we evolve a feeling of determinism or free will. Including your comment about the development of self-awareness or a genetic predisposition led me to posit that genetic make-up doesn't alter in recurrences, whereby self-awareness may well do.<BR/><BR/>If you had the courage to go back to the beginning and read all this with your now acceptance that you initially mis-read my comment (and now agree with it) I'm sure you will see the problem.<BR/><BR/>Blindly re-stating a question that you KNOW has been answered is becoming petulant!<BR/><BR/>And your antagonism and erroneous assumptions are not appreciated.Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-33816755565318647912008-06-18T01:46:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:46:00.000+01:00Oh so it's ok for you to defend yourself when i ma...Oh so it's ok for you to defend yourself when i made a mistake but i can't do the same when you've made one too?<BR/><BR/>"If, as you have now twice said, you DO agree with my first comment in response to yours then why are you still banging on about it and highlighting the fact that you mis-read it !"<BR/><BR/>Listen, i do agree with your first comment.<BR/><BR/>Now listen some more.<BR/><BR/>Why did you write your first comment? You wrote it as a criticism of my post<BR/><BR/>"Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!<BR/><BR/>I'll try a fourth time, because i have every right to defend my position<BR/><BR/><B>What i clearly asked you was, where in that original post that i just posted did i imply that the make-up changes in the IMAX? Enough for you to respond telling me "Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!"</B><BR/><BR/>I misread one word, you've misread an entire post so please be careful about what you say. I have no desire to argue with you and have nothing but respect for you Karl, i really do, but you're dodging my question frantically and i think we know it's because you made a mistake.Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-33562166661156199202008-06-18T01:35:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:35:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: It is no use proclaiming "dear oh dear...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: It is no use proclaiming "dear oh dear"s as a cohesive form of discourse.<BR/>It might work on the other forum you frequent but it doesn't in this company.<BR/><BR/>And your, again, misunderstanding it plainly obvious.<BR/><BR/>Where do I say that I disagree with your original comment?<BR/><BR/>If, as you have now twice said, you DO agree with my first comment in response to yours then why are you still banging on about it and highlighting the fact that you mis-read it !<BR/><BR/>And I shall answer your re-posited question again the way I did previously (which presumably you also haven't fully read) so I would suggest you re-read my previous answer.<BR/><BR/>And for a third time, I offer to continue this off-blog as your confusion will mean this post is now unlikely to generate any other bloggers comments, which is a shame to Johar.Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-78925930136144611392008-06-18T01:27:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:27:00.000+01:00Dear oh dear karl, i'll take the fact that YOU sti...Dear oh dear karl, i'll take the fact that YOU still havn't answered MY question as some sort of weird misreading, this part on your side.<BR/><BR/>"I've never said I had any issue with your original post at all!"<BR/><BR/>Err yes you did Karl, right about here, when you imediately posted this:<BR/><BR/>Karl L Le Marcs said... <BR/>Hurlyburly: Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!<BR/><BR/>17 June 2008 21:21<BR/><BR/>I'll repeat the question a third time <BR/><BR/><B>What i clearly asked you was, where in that original post that i just posted did i imply that the make-up changes in the IMAX? Enough for you to respond telling me "Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!"</B><BR/><BR/>I've admitted my mistake but you don't seem to acknowledge what i'm asking you now?Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-44572156331074339342008-06-18T01:20:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:20:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: *shakes head*You're smarter than this ...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: *shakes head*<BR/><BR/>You're smarter than this Martin!!<BR/><BR/>I've never said I had any issue with your <B>original</B> post at all!<BR/><BR/>My issue came when you disagreed with my comment (jokingly or not, as you then disagreed with it a second time again later, as shown in the TWO quotes) which you have now acknowledged was a result of you mis-reading what I actually said!<BR/><BR/>Oh dear Martin!Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-66146849742434937482008-06-18T01:15:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:15:00.000+01:00Ok, now you're definately at fault for misundersta...Ok, now you're definately at fault for misunderstanding (aside from posting that "you're wrong" post AGAIN!!!!)<BR/><BR/>Listen carefuly where i did not.<BR/><BR/>I posted this:<BR/><BR/>"Are people ever really resposible for their actions? When they develop self awareness and refelction becomes an inward process, things get difficult to determine. If somebody such as yourself decides to do something different are they doing it because they have developed awareness or is it simply that they are pre-destined to react in such a way due to their genetic make-up? People think they are making a conscience effort to cheat their usual path of behaviour, but is this a refelction of their personality rather than some revelation? " <BR/><BR/>You imediately replied with this:<BR/><BR/>Karl L Le Marcs said... <BR/>Hurlyburly: Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!<BR/><BR/>17 June 2008 21:21<BR/><BR/>You failed to answer my question but choose to go though all of the following posts which were laced with confusion.<BR/><BR/>What i clearly asked you was, where in that original post that i just posted did i imply that the make-up changes in the IMAX? Enough for you to respond telling me it doesn't which i do agree with by the way. <BR/><BR/>Oh dear Karl!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-46297417221451264282008-06-18T01:07:00.000+01:002008-06-18T01:07:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: *shakes head*"where in there did i imp...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: *shakes head*<BR/><BR/>"<I>where in there did i imply the make-up "changes" in the IMAX?I'll quote AGAIN!</I>"<BR/><BR/>I'll quote AGAIN!:<BR/><BR/>"Karl L Le Marcs said... <BR/>Hurlyburly: Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. A hologram has no genome!<BR/><BR/><B>Hurlyburly said... <BR/>Sorry Karl... you're wrong."</B><BR/><BR/>AND<BR/><BR/>"Hurlyburly said...<BR/>[Karl L Le Marcs] "Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter any in Bohmian IMAX recurrences."<BR/><BR/><B>Re-reading this, i could not disagree with with this anymore if i tried! (sorry for changing my mind!)"</B><BR/><BR/>TWICE you disagreed with my comment that the genetic make-up will not alter in Bohmian IMAX recurrences. If you disagree that it won't alter then you are suggesting that it will change.<BR/><BR/>Which in you latest comments you now DO agree that it won't change, which is what I said all along!Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-5783790419915553672008-06-18T00:59:00.000+01:002008-06-18T00:59:00.000+01:00Hurlyburly: Yes, I got your point even with the ty...<B>Hurlyburly</B>: Yes, I got your point even with the typo!<BR/><BR/>I can see your frustration now you've admitted you didn't read my comment properly, of course.<BR/><BR/>And I would hope you now see my frustration, in your agreement, then disagreement and journey back and forth when all the time I was saying the same thing!<BR/><BR/>Yes, your comments did look a mess, and believe me I went easy on you because I know you, and I suspected you DID know what you were on about even though in your comments you appeared not to.<BR/><BR/>Next time, please read ALL the words in my reply, to avoid the confusion.<BR/><BR/>*hugs*Karl Le Marcshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01402028443489182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-43031773113535570562008-06-18T00:57:00.000+01:002008-06-18T00:57:00.000+01:00But before i head to sleepy land!My original post,...But before i head to sleepy land!<BR/><BR/>My original post, where in there did i imply the make-up "changes" in the IMAX? I'm 99% sure i didn't accidentaly and 110% sure i didn't intentionaly<BR/><BR/>"Are people ever really resposible for their actions? When they develop self awareness and refelction becomes an inward process, things get difficult to determine. If somebody such as yourself decides to do something different are they doing it because they have developed awareness or is it simply that they are pre-destined to react in such a way due to their genetic make-up? People think they are making a conscience effort to cheat their usual path of behaviour, but is this a refelction of their personality rather than some revelation?"<BR/><BR/>OH that does it MR marcs! Did you read my comment properly!!!!!? We can have the actual debate now!!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6467236423735891536.post-17384037969686245232008-06-18T00:51:00.000+01:002008-06-18T00:51:00.000+01:00Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter in any ...Martin, your "genetic make-up" won't alter <B>in</B> any Bohmian IMAX recurrences<BR/><BR/>UN Be lievable.<BR/><BR/>Nice to know we're on the same page now! I'm at fault for misreading but can you see why i was getting so frustrated? So, of course genetic make up affects your life and IMAX experience! ALl i was saying! Crazy! I'm surprised my explanations didn't tip you off!! Actually no i'm not, that must have looked a mess!<BR/><BR/>Weird thing is, i was actually with you all the way, we both didn't realise though. The word "IN" so crucial! Night!Hurlyburlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14991008325876909831noreply@blogger.com