Thursday, 14 February 2008

Thomson's Lamp

Ok Guys,
I might be totally getting this wrong but here goes: Is the suggestion that, if applying the lamp theory, after so many life cycles there is not enough 'conscious material' left to continue another cycle and therefore it ends?
If that is the case then wouldn't it be normal for the cycles to eventually decay to make room 'in space' for the trillions of other cycles going on when using Everett's MWI.
I believe nature does everything for a reason and this seems to be a perfectly sensible way of ensuring our infinity and making sure there's enough space for all out time lines.
Have I missed the point completely? *shuffles back into the shadows muttering*

22 comments:

susan marie said...

Johar; No need to shuffle off muttering, whether to the shadows or elsewhere (I love the way we have all adapted to Karl's whimsy & eccentricity - *his asides*)! I have intuited something along the lines of what you are saying. In my opinion, at any rate, you are on the money. . .

johar said...

Thanks Susan Marie, Yeah i have totally plagiarized Karl's and Hurly Burly's quirky *comments* they made me laugh so I thought I would join in the fun!. I'm glad there are like minded curious thinkers like me out there, I often think I'm just a bit off the wall the way I see the world and the thoughts that pass through my grey matter! This site is FAB - I can finally air the conundrums that occupy my time. And being off the wall ain't so bad is it!!!! *cackles at the moon and does aeroplane arms round the garden* !

Hurlyburly said...

I like Johar, he can stay.

*Sits proudly unaware that he has no power what-so-ever*

This is what i was wandering. Do the multiple worlds just oscilate randomly or are we actualy moving towards something, a higher state of awareness or oneness. My head hurts

*Decides to join Johar and does aeroplane spins around house*

susan marie said...

No, Johar: No need to worry on this blog; all are just as mad as the next. We are in our proper element at last-ha!

susan marie said...

But Hurly, Johar is a "she" --*tee hee*

Hurlyburly said...

It was a typo...

Yup.

Oh look ------------------->

susan marie said...

Calm yourself, Hurly! None of us need worry: Neither you, nor Karl, nor I myself, nor Johar, nor even Jesamyn: All have placed multiple postings and will continue to do so.

johar said...

Hurly, My voice may be deep but everything else is in the right proportion for the female of the species *giggles coquettishly behind her hand*.!!
I wonder if the 'left over bits' of consciousness come together and form a new one - hence new identities - outlandish d'ya think!!? Nature don't like mess and all those messy bits floating around will not be tolerated!!!
Also the oscillating hypothesis has vibrated my brain recently. I think we are moving towards something, an evolution of consciousness, each cycle a learning experience towards some ultimate fulfillment - nirvana if you like. The oscillating time lines, I like rippling, what a undulous word, whilst not touching enfold each other causing a sense in each time line of deja-vu, precognition and as I have experienced a lot recently the feeling that as I have entered a room someone has just been there and I've just missed them. Like 2 photos superimposed over each other. Do I make any sense or have I finally slipped into the abyss!!? Ooooh I wonder if the left over bits come together to make another whole 'us' and we start again with all the evolutionary wisdom from the many many other cycles we've live.
*holds aloft the present neatly tied with a pretty pink bow - TA-DA!*
Blimey I do ramble and the fact it makes sense to me worries me greatly!!

susan marie said...

JOHAR; While waiting on Hurly's remarks (he tends to drift away for mysterious hours at a time) I for one can tell you that your remarks do all make sense to me, and resonate very soundly with spirit and intuition. But remember, I tend to be a bit of a loon. . . Oh, I think you are 'out -Karling' Karl!

johar said...

*RUNS SCREAMING FROM THE BUILDING*


hehe

johar said...

Oh yet another thought - I will be in a catatonic state tomorrow with all this thinking!!

I wonder if all the daemons as unobserved and therefore waveform are connected to the other time lines - one massive daemon - that's why we get the deja vu, the precog the esp etc - it is actually happening somewhere in space and we pick up on it in another time line. We are all intricately connected to all our time lines by the daemon which can also interact with others time lines - we are all connected in space and time *cue Dr Who music*

susan marie said...

We have been thinking along the same lines. But you are able to articulate what I only intuit. Only thing is, I hope we are both right! If only the Master were here to comment. . .

johar said...

I just wish I could 'jump' to another time line to prove the theory right and reassure myself that hubbie is out there somewhere and is ok!! *sigh*

susan marie said...

I feel the exact same way. But truthfully, Anthony's "afterlife" theory is the only one I feel to be robust enough to be of any comfort. There may be astral planes and after-realms of paradise, but in the end, it is life, this life, that I want to see my husband in. Maybe our husbands are sleeping, and will live with us again in another line? If there is justice, it must be true. My burning question is, can all we see truly be a "recording"--logic says it must be. I am just not used to viewing it as such. . . how 'bout you?

johar said...

I know what you mean, it seems kind of disconnected to me to think we are just living the same recording over and over again, does that make sense? It's almost as if it is out of our control, it's already happened and will happen again. That both scares me and liberates me I suppose. Scary that we have no control over the perception we call our reality and liberating in as much as I believe that each cycle does change, very much like Groundhog Day. No 2 cycles are the same and in exploring these ideas here and now we are actually evolving. Who knows if we have met in previous cycles or if this time it's something new on our evolutionary path. I tell myself that next time I am going to be more in tune, more aware of the previous cycles, I am determined to take this learned wisdom with me.Maybe I will come to this site earlier and therefore learn more quickly and follow, as a result a different path. It's all hypothesis but it sits well with me, makes sense to me and I believe we all therefore serve a purpose that leads us to our own personal fulfillment and also affects certain outcomes in others lives. We're not just chasing our tails! I've also come to the conclusion that our time lines are like slinkies. If you stretch them out the are like spirals and so are our life cycles, they go round but evolve and move forward and don't go full circle. There are millions of these slinkies intertwined, signifying all of our many lives intertwining, all connected by the daemon. A strange analogy I'm sure you will agree but it explains a lot!!
Off to sleep perchance to catch a glimpse..... Nite Nite XX

susan marie said...

Thank you, Johar, for your enlightening remarks; I agree, the recurrence must be not merely a circle, but an upward spiral. It would be meaningless otherwise, and the lessons learned must profit us, else they are in vain. GOOD NIGHT & sweet dreams.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Johar, et al
Ah! Imitation is the greatest form of flattery *wipes corner of mouth with oversized gingham handkerchief*
NOW,
Thompson's Lamp IS fundamentally capable of being disproved mathematically without resorting to Cantor's infinity paradox.
I will try and explain simply (but knowing me that may be quite difficult).
Immanuael Kant's First Antinomy is a good example but basically the difference lies within the infinity divisibility of material objects against the altogether different aspect of the invinite divisibility of time.
For example, what Thompson's Lamp does NOT take into effect is the amount of time taken to actually switch the switch. Admittedly this is a relatively small amount of time, but given the infinite division of time you will soon reach a moment when the remaining divisible time is less than the functional time of the action.
As there is a definite limited block of time to work within, the switching would have to get progressively faster and faster the closer it drew to the two min mark, in a seemingly tangential fashion. Always closer but never reaching, achieving greater than light speed, double light speed, quad, etc. Given the parameters of the problem, it sounds like a fallacious problem on the face. By the 'end' of two min, the light would appear, for all intents and purposes, continuous.
Like 'motion' and 'time'.
*BLIMEY!!*

Karl L Le Marcs said...

*adjusts waistcoat and tie on learning of Johar's feminine status*

johar said...

*SWOONS*

Karl L Le Marcs said...

*blush*

johar said...

Mr Karl Forgive a maidens simple quest but whilst I understand the lamp hypothesis how does it apply to the idea that each life cycle reduces by half? Am at a loss to think my head around it!
*quietly ponders becoming a light beam*

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Johar,
*smile*
Both "Zeno's Bisection Paradox" and "Thompson's Lamp" (and to some extent "Cantor's Infinities") are merely theoretical constructs to argue the physics of infinite division. Indeed Atom comes from the Greek Atomos (meaning uncuttable).
Tony simply uses these paradoxes to help explain the CTF theory.