Wednesday, 18 June 2008

LUCID DREAMS UPDATE


I have been experimenting with lucid dreams probably one third of my Life,with some spectacular successes really, but lately I am encountering demons (of the Darke kind!!) and darkness and disappointments etc. Could this just be a Mindset problem and can it be rectified??? Any advice appreciated!!

Jesamyn.

28 comments:

SM Kovalinsky said...

I wish I could help you out Jesamyn, but alas: 1. I have never had a lucid dream. Vivid dreams, yes; lucid, not a one. 2. I suffer from dreadful recurring nightmares, and have all my life. My daemon is a most unfriendly creature and delights in tormenting me.
I am certain that some psychological stress must be the cause of your new darkness in dreams. I wish Tony's second book were out already, I have a feeling he has delved more deeply into this area of the daemon's communications (or at least I hope he has). love you and pleasant dreams.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Jesamyn: This is really interesting, thank you for posting this:

Firstly I am struck by your use of a Ryhanwen picture from Deviant Art as I have this image of her's on my laptop:

Lucid Dreaming by Ryhanwen

Now, with regards to your Lucid Dreaming problems I would say yes, I think it is a subconscious mindset issue, as my own Lucid Dreaming took on a very different context during the times of my hardships.

If your Daemon (or unconscious/subconscious) is aware of sadness and/or problems then they will be presented in dreams (Lucid or otherwise).

What method do you use to enter Lucid Dreaming Jez? By which I mean, do you have a trigger within the dream (mine is reading a book, which you cannot do in dreaming so I then realise I am dreaming when I cannot do it)

Jesamyn said...

Thank you!!! I have always had a *signal* as is supposed to be the way to work these dreams.. and mine seems to be a blowing wind.. and last night a horrid cat that bit me and I really felt the pain!!!and going through the glass pane but flying in darkness and despair.. and it was tooo awful!!!
Thank you for trying to help!!!love you too....
Jesamyn.

Jesamyn said...

Thank you too Karl... as I said my method is sheets blowing on bed.. or as you say reading which changes from moment to moment!!!I,too, was surprised when I selected the picture then saw it was named Rhyanwen!!! as I used the name Rhiannon
before Jesamyn on another Blog!!! The *y* seemes to strike a chord in my soul!! thank you bothe... for your advice..it helps indeed....
Jesamyn.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Jesamyn: You're always welcome Jez, and thanks to Susan Marie also.

You and I discuss Lucid Dreaming and Astral Travel and all avenues of esoteric communication and I know you to be very adept.

I remember asking a question to the Servants of the Light when Tony and I attended their meeting around this subject.

I asked if those who experience Deja Vu or Deja Vecu can Lucid Deja Vu or Lucid Deja Vecu?

By which I mean, in our dreams Jez, you and I can grab hold of the dream and work it for us, now Lucid Dreaming seems to me to be very similar to Deja Vu/Vecu and I was wondering if it was possible to become aware that one was in a Deja Vu/Vecu, like it is to become aware that one is in a dream?

For if it is possible to Lucidly Deja Vu/Vecu then that would be huge evidence towards Tony's theory.

Thanks again Jez.

Hurlyburly said...

Here's a great clip, again from waking life about lucid dreaming and ways you can realise you're dreaming aswell as the fun you can have doing it. It suggests adjusting light levels in your dreams is also impossible and suggests flicking a light switch in your dreams to realise you're dreaming.

SM Kovalinsky said...

That is most interesting, Hurly; thank you, and I am sure Jez will too.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Hurlyburly: This is interesting!! I've heard other people say this about light, but I can turn on lights in my Lucid Dreams; in fact when I meet Rachael, on the table in the booth of the Cuban Bar in Camden is a table lamp, which I do switch on and off. I think I mentioned to Johar once that the first thing to do if you want to Lucid Dream is to build a trigger into your dreams.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Ooooh I think it was Woodsprite that I mentioned the trigger to actually, come to think about it.

Jez, you and Di should talk about Lucid Dreaming, I know she is interested in learning.

Hope we hear from her later on this.

Hurlyburly said...

Jesamyn: I'd also highly, emphatically, incredibley (lots!) recommend that you watch "The science of sleep".

The entire film is about lucid dreaming, i'd imagine you would love it but also get a great deal out of it with regards to poloshing up on your dreaming skills.

Hurlyburly said...

Here's the trailer for the movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPIccs5Tmjc

ra from ca said...

Jesmyn:

I recall have a dream with some nasty characters who seemed to be threatening me but didn't actually do anything but laugh at me. I started fighting them but couldn't make any impact on them. It was like they were made of rubber. I remember being very frustrated and upset. I thought alcohol might have something to do with it.

ra from ca said...

Sorry about the spelling of your name.

ra from ca said...

Can it be rectified?

A dream therapist once said that all dreams contain parts of yourself that you have disowned and if you allow yourself to own that part of yourself again you can make peace with it and move on.

My dream was populated by some bullies and certainly that was an aspect in myself I wanted to deny.

SM Kovalinsky said...

That is very good dream analysis, Ra. I think this can be applied to the idea of integrating the eidolon/daemon as well, don't you think so? Jung was already on to this idea, but had not termed it as concisely nor in as innovative a manner as has Tony.

woodsprite said...

Dreaming has always been significant for me. I have often had dreams which gave me a clear message what I need to do when I wake up. This happens particularly clearly at times of great emotional stress. My very good friend used to be amazed when my marriage break up was happening because I would be so wisely guided by my dreams.

Karl has very kindly been giving me techniques to help with lucid dreaming and I have been having some success in this. In fact last week I had a particularly lucid dream where I was very aware being in the dream state. The most powerful image was of reaching out towards a welcoming light which I recognised as my Daemon. I was filled with the sense of well being and trust. (This was very similar to short lived spiritual experiences I have had in the past.) The next morning I was very aware of my senses. Perhaps it was not the best day for this as I had a morning's training on Law for Social Workers which I have always found very dry. *groan* Then by lunchtime I developed all the symptoms of a migraine.. the disturbed vision, headache and difficulty speaking coherently. It finally went away after I went to bed and slept for four hours (without dreaming!)

Hurly Burly: I have just received my latest parcel from Amazon (mostly books and DVDs prompted by postings on here) and included there is "The Science of Sleep".

Well there you go!

Hurlyburly said...

Glad to hear it, let me know what you think! Waking life is better but it's still a great film, there is loads in there about lucid dreaming.

woodsprite said...

Jesamyn: I wonder if you spend your waking hours being strong (for other people probably) and your dream was a way of allowing you to express the sadness you have inside.

I used to have a similar experience and would wake up with my face wet with tears and a sob in my throat. I knew that in my case it was my subconscious telling me that it was ok to be honest about my feelings, at least with myself. After allowing the feelings to be there for while I was then usually able to put on the coping mask and get on with the day, knowing at some time I needed to talk to my lovely friend.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Ra from Ca: re "Can it be rectified? - I agree. Our dreams are where the unconscious and subconscious have equal footing with our conscious and your 'bullies' analogy works very well.

Susan Marie: Very well said. Jung's collective unconscious would today most likely be termed Daemonic in origin and concept, and objectively operational within consciousness field theory.

Woodsprite: Thank you for adding this Di, I'm glad some of my techniques have been helping you and there are some personal things I want to add in relation to your comment so we can do that via email. I need to speak to you re DreamAnchors next
*smile*

SM Kovalinsky said...

KLLM: Thank you for adding your remarks. I do believe that what was mystical and esoteric merely, in Jung, takes on a more robust form and language with CTF and your own scientific additons. It becomes at once more scientific, more blended in with the technological and futuristic, and also more classically grounded. Neo-classical as my mentor Jack said of your own writing. Thanks again.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Susan Marie: Yes, fabulous comment. I was writing last night specifically on Jungian collective unconscious within my theory and within the work that Tony and I wish to do.
And "Neo-Classical" you say, WOW that is a compliment. I'm deeply honoured that you would show your mentor my writings.
Thank You Susan Marie.

SM Kovalinsky said...

Well, I think it would be nice if said mentor would follow through on his plan to write YOU the words of praise he heaped on you. "Neo-Classical" was only part of a lofty oration. I will press him on it when I see him, hopefully this summer.

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Susan Marie: I thought you were going to burst into a George Michael song there!!
*giggle*

I would be honoured to enter communication with your Mentor, as I know, from you, what a tremendous influence he has been on your life. And I always enjoy academic discourse. Was he the same professor that commented on my writing on your blog essay?

SM Kovalinsky said...

No, unfortunately, this is not the one who commented on my blog space; that was an adjunct at WPU. This man was my mentor in independent study (Aristotlean Metaphysics, Politics, and Nichomachean Ethics) at Fairleigh Dickinson University. He was also my professor of Logic. He wound up out in California at Fresno, and then into a mid-western college, but he comes to APA meetings in NYC and to Boston (his PhD was from Boston University). I have 4 professors who I keep in very close touch with. I am eager to have them all post comments, but they are often out of the country, or busy: they are slow to move on things,. and I often wait a long time for their email replies. But for all that, they are very good academic people. The best. And it did move me that they praised Tony, and took such special notice of you (actually Weinstein took this notice of you with no direction from me, it was purely his random search of the blog posts which made him remark to this effect about you. Greatly enhances the compliment, as he had no idea if I liked your writing or not. It was after his own remarks that I told him how fully in agreement I had always been).

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Susan Marie: WOW, that's fantastic. We'll continue this off-blog I think, and I may well, at some point, place some of my writing on the Jungian/Daemonic interrelation of dream consciousness on blog.

johar said...

Hurly,

Have you, or anyone else, seen The Good Night with Penelope Cruz and if so is it worth watching.

I've read the reviews and it contains strong elements of lucid dreaming.

Jesamyn said...

Hi, all, and thank you all so very much for sincerity and honesty and suggestions, you have all made me more aware as to why this episode is happening.. yes I do try to *cope* all day.. even though still grieving, Woodsprite..Susan Marie and myself met on a grief site where we all spoke of *The Mask* we had to put on in the mornings!! Hurly, thank you for movie suggestion, I will hunt it up on E bay, Susan Marie, thank you too for your usual insightful academic comments!! Karl, you always elucidate so well especially re lucidity!! I better bring a lamp in to my dreams!!Ra.. thanks too for your interesting and helpful comments and *sigh* once again for the 543rd time I will stop drinking for a while and I think things would improve rapido!!!
Love you all
Jesamyn
xx

Karl L Le Marcs said...

Jesamyn: Thank you Jez, and you are always very welcome.
*astral smile*