The doors of the ITLADic University swing open once more and I welcome you to another Sunday Service.This is a slightly reduced Service owing to some illness on my part and general overall exhaustion!!
Thankfully it has been a quieter time for ITLADic Science News than recent weeks, but I battle on for the collective good and thus I include links below to this week’s Top 5:
1. The Brain Hides Information From Us To Prevent Mistakes
2. Do We Think That Machines Can Think?
3. Good Golf Players See The Hole Larger Than Poor Players
4. Woman Acquires New Accent After Stroke
5. Investigating The Environmental Origins Of Autism
(Linked to #5): Common Mechanism May Underlie Autism's Seemingly Diverse Mutations
And for the EXTRA section this week I again select a few articles from a wide variety of areas that I know certain students will find of interest and have some interesting views upon.
Perception:
> A Perspective On 3-D Illusions <
(Click “View 3-D Illusions Slide Show”)
Evolutionary Psychology:
> Brain Cells Related To Fear Identified <
Psychology:
> When Grief Goes Beyond The Blues <
Neurology:
> Brain Implant Helps Stroke Victim Speak Again <
Quantum Physics:
> CERN Project: Large Hadron Collider [Interactive Guide] <
(Click on “Enter Interactive” and follow the prompts)
And finally, as a very interesting addition to the Spinning Lady experiment that we have discussed on previous Sunday Services, I include this link which should(!) help those of you who only see her spinning in one direction.
> Spinning Dancer Hacked!! <
WARNING: This will FREAK you out if you spend too long playing with the buttons!!!
WARNING: This will FREAK you out if you spend too long playing with the buttons!!!
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I will be available most of Sunday to answer any questions you have on these articles and to discuss the implications within ITLADic Philosophy.
I will place my own interpretation of the articles throughout the day in the comments section.
I hope we can generate as interesting a discussion as we have on previous Sundays and if you haven’t been involved before then you are more than welcome to add your thoughts.
Please place your opinions, questions and observations in the comments section for all to discuss. .
A Dark Professor
Karl L Le Marcs
210 comments:
1 – 200 of 210 Newer› Newest»We have an apology for absence from Johar who is returning from a weekend away today and will be able to join us from 6pm, and also from Woodsprite who will has a prior engagement and will be joining us from 2pm (ish).
I look forward to hearing all your thoughts and comments.
A Dark Professor!
Karl L Le Marcs
(Ph.D ITLADic Studies)
*giggles*
Hi Karl some interesting stuff this week,i like the article can machines think? Well i found this piece in a computer magazine.Scientists have created a computer that can mimic the human brain so they can find out the effects of a stroke.The computer copies the speech language patterns developed by those who have had a stroke.It is part of a 5 year project by Manchester University to create a new breed of computers that look at the actions performed by the human brain.Professor Steve Furber said they would also build a computer capable of reading and speaking basic English.Does The Terminator spring to mind.
KARL: Im the first...
As always u have done a wonderful job again!!...sorry to hear that u r ill and exhausted...do take care of yrself!
now, article#5,impresses me the most coz of the synchronicities( as ITLAD TRADITON as Robin so aptly put it)yesterday i was doing research on puberty and the effects of social environment...
"The most important part of a child's psychosocial environment is the family"
will comment again after reading all the articles after dinner(its 5.20pm here and have to start dinner...)
OH! am not the first afterall!!!!
Baphomet: Dave, welcome to the Sunday Service, wonderful to have a new member.
Yes, article #2 on Machine Sentience is interesting isn't it! It also links back to a few previous articles from our other Sunday Services.
Your comments from the computer magazine are interesting if you also read the articleI have included in this post on the woman who acquired a new accent following a stroke.
Your Terminator analogy is a good one also, yes. Thank you for this, I shall read into the work of Prof Furber.
Roshni: Hi Rosh, lovely to see you.
Thank You for your kind words.
Yes, article #5, (and its linked article) were very interesting in light of much discussion on this blog around Autism, and towards Tony's "Scale Of Transcendence".
Hope to hear more from you later Rosh.
Good morning to you Professor and thankyou for posting so many terrific articles.My mom is playing hookey from sunday services as she says you have a cane and Ithink i did see you rapping on english fenceposts with it as you ambledd along!Now I of course was first drawn to number 5 and i never bought into the idea of vacinations like some docters here said. The environmental and digestive aspects i know ring true and we are a poisonious generation of tv and computer.But how can we know that this doesnt reachaccross a wide spectrum of a new breed of daemon haunted people and in the daemon territory of which Tony Peake is willing memeber and leader. And the professor too, leading us there. Nietzsche was not opposed to that shift. I need to wake up more and focus more for your beautiful articles Karl Lemarcs PHD! I will come back very soon.
Andrew: Good Morning Andrew.
Tell you Mom I shall speak to her shortly!!!!
My cane is used to steady myself as I amble from one British pub to another; and to twirl in a Chaplinesque manner while walking through the inevitable British Summertime rain!!
Anyway, yes, article #5, I am glad that you found these interesting and your comments are equally so.
You ask a wonderful question regarding the Daemonic approach to viewing those who live with Autism and I suspect that Woodsprite and Ed (if he is free this weekend) would wish to add their thoughts.
I hope to hear more from you soon Andrew.
I will comment of that one as well (#5) before moving along to others. I think Andrew has an astute perception there, and there is much truth in the idea that this may be a purposive shift. The neurological disorders comprise a continuum and far more fall into its range than has been hitherto asserted, I think. As Barack Obama says, we are the ones who we've been waiting for. I noticed in my University students both more "autistic-like" behaviors from those not classified as such ( hip-hop gestures are the most autistic-like movements I have ever witnessed) and more bisexuality and dual-gender behaviors. The environment which destroys mutates us into a new breed, retrogressed, but not retrograde in the moral sense.
Susan Marie: Welcome along!
I agree with you about Andrew's perception to article #5. Linking the scale of transcendence to Aldous Huxley's Doors of Perception is something I have discussed with Tony since we first met early last year.
I particularly liked your ending sentence Susan Marie; that is a wonderfully constructed statement.
I've just read through most of these links and don't have too much to offer for most of them right now.
However, the link about golf players was quite interesting though, indeed, this can be applied to many other sports particularly basketball. Players that achieve the state of beng "In the zone" have stated that the ring seems like a huge bucket and it becomes impossible to miss. Here's a link to one of Michael Jordan's greatest performances
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OqJqOIdb4
Thank you so much for the Cern link, i am extrmely interested in this and am very eager to see the results. I have favourited that link and shall be using the interactive learning guide a fair bit i'd imagine!
I don't know if i've ever mentioned but i am fairly good friends with a guy that actually works for NASA. I talk to him pretty much everyday on my other message board so if anyone has any questions get them listed and i'll pose them to him.
Thanks for some great Sunday reading material Karl.
HURLY: That is most interesting, indeed! Now where is that dissertation, hmmmm? Have you even mailed it yet? And do you actually think I will stop pestering you for it, though you flee from my requests?
ARTICLE #2: Oh, I like what is says in the closing sentences, about the facilitation and generation of philosophical debate on human/machine dialog and what is perceived as human! These are areas of great interest to me; Steven Pinker up at Harvard has held my interest since the '90s with these sorts of questions which he extensively researches. John Foxx has a beautiful song, "I want to be a Machine"; in it the human is derided, Hamlet-like. Interesting article, you seem to intuitively call these up to you, with amazing precision, KLLM.
Hurlyburly: Martin, my Charming Man *smile*
article #3 on the golfers is included for the very reason you state.
When Tony leaves Ed and I in the pub to go do his washing Ed and I often talk about specific attitudes that seem to create our universe and our "luck".
One of these discussions was around how he has remarkable synchrondipities around finding car parking spaces, and also the weather (I'll let Ed tell the story)
But anyway, by visualisation and positive mental energy sportsmen have often spoken of having this ability. Indeed when I play 9-Ball Pool or throw a few Darts, I find this is to be a very successful technique in improving my game.
(Don't play me at 9-Ball as you will lose a LOT of money, but at Darts you may stand a fair chance!)
Re CERN and the LHC, yes, I have been following this story for a couple of years now, and it has been mentioned on previous Sunday's also. I'm glad you enjoyed the interactive element, and it does go fairly deeply into the Quantum Mechanics side towards the end, but if you want any help in that area you just need to ask.
Susan Marie: My best advice with dear Martin is to allow him to do things in his own time.
re article #2, I thought you'd appeciate the Philosophical debate fascilitation, and I wholeheartedly agree.
Indeed I have recently finished reading Steven Pinker's latest book "The Stuff Of Thought".
"I stole a cathode face from newscasts
And a crumbling fugue of songs
From the reservoir of video souls
In the lakes beneath my tongue
In flesh of ash and silent movies
I walked at boulevards again
A nebula of unfinished creatures
From the lifetimes of my friends
I hope your innocence has depraved me
I WANT TO BE A MACHINE"
Where is that passage taken from?
I shall post it after i recieve my final salary on the 25th dear Susan, until then i am flat out broke! I need to find a scanner so i can get it onine and pimp it out. In the meantime i shall write that Eminem essay while i'm unemployed.
Im loving Jake's book now, it's absolutely brilliant.
Susan Marie: It's Ultravox's "I Want To Be A Machine" written by John Foxx, you mentioned it in your previous comment.
But I do not recognize those lines! I remember: "I arose in a land of violet ladies, blowing lonely in the night, and all the pornographers, burning torches beneath the sea"--I think his voice and music are so beautiful that I miss some of what he is saying. I cannot believe you know him, he is a man very close to your own ilk, and that song is profoundly, deeply Peakian. Foxx is a British genius, and may be your twin, or long lost elder brother, now that I remember his age. I think he wrote "Dangerous Rhythm" about you, in the quantum entanglement.
HB: You make me want to send you money! And what a little wide boy you are, speaking of pimping your work to me! I would love the Eminem essay: post it up on my American blog, would you allow it? Have you been in touch at all with Jake Horsely? He wrote of Peake as the matrix warrior on his own blog site.
Hi all.
Back online after a week or so. Time is more at a premium these days.
Some good material again Karl. Thanks. On item#5... here is something I was reading just yesterday..http://www.msgtruth.org/autism.htm
Check out the main page and also the right-side links to "MSG and Epilepsy" and "MSG and Rage/Panic disorders".
There are some interesting references to the role of the Amygdala and Hypothalamus as well as links with Seizures (glutamate induced) and heavy metals.
When Tony and i first met, we talked about the role of Glutamate at the point of death and how it floods the brain.
I have to dash... back later, i hope...
Ed
PS: Mark is now on a GLUTAMATE-free diet (not just gluten or casien or MSG additives). It's tough to do this diet as glutamate posp up everywhere and especially in food processing, even simple things such as frying otherwise 'safe' foods. Last week, Mark's GP could not believe the change in him so quickly.
ED: Thank you for that link, and it is so true that diet - when it can be controlled, very difficult with my own son - can be a tremendous help. We had worked with the brain-bio research center in Princeton, NJ, as well as the Fryer research center in NYC ( actually, I was the patient in that run)---so glad to hear that your Mark is doing so well, and thank you for posting that link.
Susan - No i havnt been in touch with him yet, not since we joked about Meg Ryan's perception of death!I will finish the book first.
I was watching Eminen's performance at Madison Square Garden last night and actually thought of you.
Susan Marie: It's the second verse I quoted from. It follows the lyrics you remember.
"Stranger to stranger
We're both dressed for danger
Something is generating here"
- Dangerous Rhythms
Ed: Wonderful to have you along Ed (and I CERTAINLY empathise with your TIME constraints)
Thank you for your input to article #5, you and I can talk more on this when I see you on Wednesday, but maybe you could add something later on what you have previously told me regarding Mark's Diet and its effect on his Autism for the benefit of everyone as it is incredibly interesting.
HURLY: I think that may be the nicest thing you've ever said to me! Brought tears to my eyes.
ARTICLE#1: This sleight of hand on the part of one's own brain is fascinating, and makes me think of something which was compelling in ITLAD: I cannot place it, will have to look it up.
Susan Marie: re article #1, yes, there is a specific reason why I placed this at number ONE and I am hoping one of you spots it!!
I sense you are close to doing so.
*no more clues*
Oh, LeMarcs, I swear that song is you somehow, as is Foxx. You and John Foxx, a dangerous mix. I cannot believe you know him; my husband and I saw him in New York, way back in the '80s, he is in your league, one of the rare few. . . He is a daemon, for sure, pure daemonic energy and they salute him up in Provincetown in characteristic frenzy. . . Now see, this is my problem, I want discourse on art, philosophy, literature, music as a sort of nexus in which you and Tony are the fount: Renaissance men, this is to me supremely joyous and I want to talk for hours. Science is a strain for me, but let me get on with these articles, no more id, only civilizations stern ambition. . .
I think I may know why the article was placed as #1 , but I had better check my facts before saying so.
Susan Marie: As ever your words to me are hugely humbling.
*bows respectfully*
And re article #1, please feel free to comment as you see it, we are all here to help as a collective but I do feel you have the nexus of it already.
Professor:If you will please excuse me for some hours, I go to pay homage to my fatherand then work,then I come back to post for uyou! sorry I amn nervous and rushing so, but did you place number#1 so as it has somethig to do with time dissonace which Tony peake discusses through ITLAD??in experiments with timelapse in receiving sensations on the arm>?
Andrew: Of course you may be excused my dear fellow. Absolutely.
Your perception regarding the ITLADic implications within article #1 is superb. Keep thinking along those lines and I hope we can hear more from you later on your return.
Here at last and frantically trying to catch up. A lovely selection of topics again. Thanks Karl
I don't know what theme you were hinting at Karl, but for me the final sentence in #1 sums it up;
"Put simply, it could be said that this system of spatial transformation works much as when we hastily jot down some rough notes and later copy them out into final form, discard the original draft,"
This seems to shout out the "groundhog day" effect of daemonic guidance in subsequent lives. The virgin life is the first draft - the template from which all subsequent lives are editted and improved.
Woodsprite: Hello Di!! I hope you had a nice day.
Thank You for your kind words.
You've pretty much banged the nail on the head with that quotation and your interpretation yes.
I'll not say anything more yet, as both Andrew and Susan Marie both have interesting interpretations to add.
Nice to have you here again Di.
Hi, Woodsprite; You are so sharp and shrewd!
KLLM: While I continue to puzzle over #1 (and I think Andrew and I are thinking independently of the same section of Tony) I do find #4 quite interesting, as it makes me think of daemon and right-brain storing of ancestral memories and patterns, altho the article does not of course go along this Jungian track. . .
And in terms of the essay on protracted grief in the alternate section, I of course maintain the same stance as I asserted the other week regarding daemonic purposive protracting of emotive aspects, and to which JoJo so eloquently added!
Tony truly was onto something when he spoke of the daemon being slightly ahead in time (recorded time) of the eidolon, who lags along behind: How well do I know this now, how much do I see that events of the next 48 hours always announce themselves to me prior to their occurence!
Susan Marie: Yes please do keep pondering over article #1, and re article #4, I link you back to Baphomet's comments from the beginning of today and also to the article in the EXTRAS section on Neurology.
Your interpretation of the article towards Daemonic memory storage and the Jungian aspects are staggeringly good and I completely agree.
Susan Marie: You and I have discussed your 48 hour prescient sense privately, but I hope you would feel you could add a few examples here for the others as I expect they would be as interested as I was when you first told me.
Well, I do not want to divert from the main theme; just a slight time jump, in which through thoughts and dreams coming events announce themselves just prior to their occurence. In particular when things are running smoothly, I am tipped off that there is headed toward me a terrible blunder and conflict; I think, no, I will not let it happen, it will not (it always does, and is far worse than I reckoned for).
Thank you for your warm welcome< Karl. It's good to sneak back into class alongside my wonderful classmates (and teacher too!)
Thoughts on #5: Ed and I talked at length about some of the possible reasons for an increase in the number of diagnosed cases of autism.
Firstly, quite simply we are better at recognising and diagnosing autism. It is also a "disorder" which no longer has the same stigma as it once did, although people are still as intolerant as ever when people with ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder) behave differently.
Secondly, our food is so adulterated to make the unpalatable palatable or to produce animals/ vegetables in half the time nature intended, that our very sensitive neurological system is bombarded with chemicals that mimic or block neuro-transmitters. It's hardly surprising that delicate developing brains are influenced.
Thirdly, there does appear to be a genetic link to autism, although this is complex as the second article shows. Often the traits associated with autism are very useful in the modern, highly technical world and people bearing the genetical potential to pass on the "autistic gene" can be very successful. They are able to recognise these traits in their children and are articulate and influential enough to push for a diagnosis. Thus the statistics show an increase.
I found a throw away line in the second article very interesting to think about;
"The findings also support the use of behavioral therapies in autism, which expose children to a rich environment and highly repetitive activities that may help turn on the genes and strengthen synaptic connections, Morrow adds."
This simple statement implies several very important ideas
1. Behaviour can influence genes
2. Genetic influences are not absolutely fixed - genes are turned on or turned off
3. Behaviour influences brain chemistry.
As well as challenging ideas about the fatalism of genetics, this has implications for daemonic influence. It suggests to me that the daemon could change our behaviour and so have an ultimate effect on the effects of out genes
Susan Marie: Interesting!
You should perhaps document some of the precognitive senses as they occur on Forum and then if and when it comes to reality you can share it all with us. This would then allow such as this to be considered as scientific evidence as any comment you make will be time and date marked.
So, for example, if you were to have a precognitive sense TODAY that you would, say, receive a letter containing an unexpected demand for money or something then you could place that on Forum and then if and when the letter arrives you can say "See, here is the letter".
Anyway, give it some thought SMK, and thank you for sharing with everyone.
Woodsprite: Fantastic comments regarding article #5, yes I was lucky enough to be party to that conversation between you and Ed during the inaugural meeting of the ITLADic Mental Health Guild!
*smile*
I hope you saw Ed's comments earlier on this also.
Yes, I can do, and have recorded these as well on my own, and they do bear out, there is no doubt in my mind.
WOODSRITE: Amazing remarks, and the 3 maxims of synopsis are wonderful! Good to see these set forth so concisely.
Susan Marie: Do you ever get hopeful premonitions too? It would certainly be helpful to write your "inklings" down - in fact what a great title for a personal journal of precognition "Inklings". I'd love to read them.
Karl: I certainly did see Ed's comments. I think that was what prompted my pondering
Yes, occasionally the fates are kind, and they are auspicious and positive. Yes, inklings, its a nice word, isn't it?
Susan Marie: Your post about precognitive ideas reminded me of something from my childhood. One morning I got up after a very vivid dream in which I was riding a race horse to victory. I related this to my mother who became quite excited and demanded what the name of the horse was. I could remember it was called Pearl-something or something-Pearl. My mum scoured the newspaper aand found only one horse had Pearl in its name so she backed it and it won at brilliant odds! Later, after I read Freud I found a different interpretaion of my dream - an adolescent girl dreaming of winning horse races! *smile*
Just before I go to do the chores that are demanding my attention, I have studdied the new spinning lady and with the white lines I can now make her spin anti-clockwise but she goes back clockwise without the lines. She even sneaks back clockwise after a while with the white lines!
Susan Marie: Excellent! The reason I asked is that by simply recording them yourself would not make them considered scientific evidence towards precognoitive sense. BUT, if you placed your feelings as you had them on Forum (timed and dated) then within 48 hours we had proof of the event happening, this is much harder for those who seek to debunk Scientific experimentation in to precognisance.
Thank You.
Woodsprite: *smiles*
And here I am lolling on my sofa reading "Mirroring People" (the book from last week's Sunday Service on Mirror Neurons) while listening to PEARL JAM!
Ha!
*runs to see what horses are running today*
Woodsprite: re Spinning Lady, yes, it really does start to mess with your eyes after a while doesn't it.
You should(!) also find that by trying the buttons on the new link that when you then go back to the original Spinning Lady, you are then able to get her to change direction at will (which I do through simply altering my thought process from logical to creative and she spins like a whirling dervish!!)
Woodsprite: That is simply incredible. And yes, Freud and his interpretive work on dreams does negate the precognitive function, but not wholly; I am convinced, he is not wholly in the right, and he had his own strong wishes and motives for wanting this negation, for wishing it so. . .
EVERYONE: I'm just having a break for a short while (genuinely very little energy) so I will catch up with any comments, questions, interpretations or discussion when I come back in half an hour to an hour.
Thank you to everyone so far who has contributed to another great Sunday discussion and ITLADic Studies Module!!
I hope there is more to come, and I know that Robin and Johar will be joining us later and who knows if AP himself is around today???!!!
Freud's wish fulfilment as a form of wish fulfilment!
Right Hurly. It is a paradox! Now did you see how I thanked you in my other comments, (Eminem) and what say you about what I asked about my blog???
And Hurly, there is alot in Freud's Interpretation of Dreams which I think was very daemon-inspired, and there is a sort of autobiographical and Gothic-horror subtext to that whole work: he is confessing and speaking in a hidden way, about himself, and Tony and one other have this masterful subtext as well. And even your own MM.
I'm sorry Susan, could you post a link to your site and i'll post something about "Rain man"
Hurlyburly and Susan Marie:
In Martin's flippancy does reside an element of wisdom. Freudian wish fulfilment operates much the same was as my Kangaroo Paradox of Coincidence and Synchrondipity.
But first Eminem, HB! Do the Eminem essay, and with your permission I will post it up on my blogsite, and then anything forthcoming of course will be apprecited!(see, I must communicate with you here, as you will not answer my emails in your unemployment)----now what do you think of essay #1, ring any bells? (The moderator is watching, he misses nothing, HB, nothing). . .
Oh, I loved that Kangaroo paradox, I thought it was the most prankish and proud thing I'd ever seen from a scientist.
Susan Marie: Oooooh I think I'll have that as a quote on the front of my book!
"Oh, I loved that Kangaroo paradox, I thought it was the most prankish and proud thing I'd ever seen from a scientist."
- Susan Marie Kovalinsky
*bows respectfully*
Well, that is a transposition from dear Nietzsche in the Gay Science: ". . . if there are gods dwelling in the realms beyond good and evil, oh, have them send scientists who are whole men, prankish and proud!"----he now stands by you, and rejoices at your arrival, LeMarcs. . .
Susan Marie: I prefer your quote to old Freddie's!
*smile*
I'm reminded of the Vision and the Riddle!
Ubermensch!
*bless you*
The alternate article on the brain cells identified with anxiety response is quite interesting, in that it speaks of the formation of new memory to modify that response. Look at the size of the grant he obtained; you and Tony should be given the same. I am serious, if the methodology were precise and meticulously organized, and the universal implications viewed as relevant to cognitive science, quantum theory, ethics. . .
And that quote of Nietzsche's is beautiful!!! (oh, why can't you see????)
Susan Marie: I agree that the Nietzsche quote is beautiful (you know my Nietzschean roots), I was giving you a compliment by saying yours was even better!
re Anxiety Response article, yes, yes indeed I did see the value of the grant he received and I am a couple of steps ahead of you there! (we'll talk on email)
Thank You.
Oh, thank god you do see it; N. aimed it at such as you, and wants you to receive it well.
Oh, you are like the Devil: always and everywhere you are thinking ahead on these things, it should stand you in good stead, and as you are detail-oriented to a degree which is the maximum of astounding, you are the one who can pull it off (just need to feel as strong at 37 as you ought--a decade younger than Barack Obama, and he is a boyish powerhouse; 10 years from now, you will only just be arriving at his youth.)
Susan Marie: Obama only has one existence, I have about 12!
*giggles*
I'll be fine, just a combination of doing waaaayyy to much, on no sleep with a brain that just won't shut up! I can grab a rest on Tuesday.
Thank you for your concern
*hugs*
Ah! Le Philosophe Sombre - Man of 12 existences and no daemon! No wonder you are tired!
Take for your comfort
1 peck of Pearl Jam (with toast if palatable)
1 large quotation from Nietzche to cool the temples
1 nip of anything made from malt (it was good for Tigger when he didn't know what Tiggers eat)
1 warm unguent (I'm not EXACTLY sure what kind of unguent but it sounds soothing)
And an enormous *hug* from all your loving hug donors
Mystery word sounds magical so I'll include it here
"obmsiqxp"
And what IS the kangaroo paradox btw?
Woodsprite: Ha! Le Philosophe Sombre! I love it!
Yes, it all drains me sometimes!
*overly dramatic swishing of forearm across forehead*
Thank you for your medicinal recipe.
I am currently listening to a bootleg of Pearl Jam's recent sell out gig at Madison Square Garden *waves at SMK*
My head is already crammed rather full of Nietzschean quotations.
Bit early for a Malt but give me a couple of hours and I shall gladly share one with ya!!
And ooooh an unguent! How lovely!
But as ever, a hug is a universal cure for me, so thanks muchly.
You will be interested in this book I am reading (while listening to PJ, conducting the Sunday Service, watching the Cricket and stroking my cat (not the gay one who is out mincing) - yes I am a male that can multi-task; you have to with a gestalt existentialism!), erm, yes, this book "Mirroring People" about the Mirror Neurons, as was a part of last week's Sunday Service.
I shall bring it with me on Wednesday and you can have a look at it in the pub........er, ITLADic Meeting House!
*smile*
Oh, Woodsprite, that is so cute and sprite-ish of you! You should ask KLLM for a link to his Kangaroo.'
Hurly: And what about the Eminem Paradox (hate transformed into purity and sanctity, etc.)?
Woodsprite: Oh I've banged on about my Kangaroo Paradox of Coincidence and Synchrondipty on here for quite a while. Even AP adopts it now!
I'll take you through it on Wednesday to prevent me repeating myself.
Hurlyburly: I think you should be aware that you too are culpable in the Brankrupt Di Conspiracy.
Only this weekend I have purchased Hurlyburly, K-Pax and Waking Life on DVD. True the cost is minor compared to the vast fortune I have spent on books but real all the same.
And what IS the buffalo theory btw?
Wahoo! I'll hold you to that Karl!
Woodsprite: BLIMEY!!
*giggles*
This site is weird, i can't see my post i made about the Buffalo theory yet Woodsprite replied? Strange?
Cliff's Buffalo Theory
This is credited to an episode of Cheers in which Cliff explains to Norm the 'Buffalo Theory':
"Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as
the slowest buffalo and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones
at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a
whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by
the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain
can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive
drinking of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and
weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates
the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And
that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
You will love HurlyBurly, so would poor karl if he got around to watching it!
Hurlyburly: I have watched it!
And did you like it Professor?I have to depart again and I will post as well as i haveit in me tonight for you, probably on 2of them.
Hurlyburly: Well I'm trusting you on this one. My son, whose knowledge and love of film probably matches your own, advised me that it's "a bit wordy" and directed me (no pun intended this time) to other, in his opinion, better films with Sean Penn. But then what does he know of ITLAD eh?
Hurly: I love the Buffalo theory! I'm glad I saw the post (even if it doesn't exist)
She's so lovely and Carlito's Way are his other goodens
Karl - IF this is so where the hell is my promised review, what did we think?
Andrew: I'm afraid I didn't like it no, I will get hold of the original play though and read that also.
Hope your working shift passes quickly and yes, I am always happy to read your thoughts and input so I shall look forward to that.
I will be away most of Monday (as usual) and will ask dear Susan Marie to take charge of the Diamante Encrusted Blog Moderator's Hat in my abscence as she did such a wonderful job last week. So you'll have to listen to her then Andrew as she'll be Moderator and not just MOM!!
*smile*
Karl L Le Marcs said...
Andrew: I'm afraid I didn't like it no,
*head explodes*
*body sulks and refuses to buy a new one*
Hurlyburly: Yes, I finished watching it last week (I watched it over four separate sessions).
I'm afraid it is too Misogynistic for me, although I readily admit there were some very good scenes. but the overall misogyny was just too unpleasant for me.
I will get hold of the original play by David Rabe though also.
Are you really so surprised, Hurly? Isn't that the way it always goes??? And now do you know how you made me feel, when you did not like Stan??? and prefer Rabbit Run??????????
I think you can purchase the play and another play of his on amazon for about £1-2.
It requires several viewings before it can begin to be appreciated. Glad you enjoyed some of it though, the dialogue is genius. Rabe is a very daring writer and i think you'd enjoy a lot of his stuff.
Answer me, Martin!!!
Rabbit Run is a masterpiece. I do like Stan, it just got over-played FAR to much and some of his other works better display his genius. I've just found a few of my Eminem books so i can start your (i mean my!) essay and this little coincidence may be appreciated by you Susan. Crossing the line was written by Martin Huxley... only 3 letters off my name (ter)
Hurlyburly: Yes, I agree. I think I may appreciate the play more than the film (knowing me), and some of the dialogue was excellent, so I'm hoping the play is less misogynistic (which I suspect it will be)
Martin, do you know I have a gay friend named Roscoe, and no matter now often I tell him your name is Huxter, he persists in calling you "that Martin Huxley character" ( he wanted to hire you for salary to be a paid spy/private trailer for him over in Britain, but you are in the wrong area.--he needed Liverpool area )
Typical... *tuts*
I think I sense a Coventrinian approaching...................
Hi.
Back for a few mins....
I meant to make a comment about the spinning lady... I find that I cannot shift her from going clockwise.
Karl: Not necessarily an ITLADian point, but does the outcome of your 'Q test' relate in any way to the way we see spinning lady? (Karl may explain the 'Q test', for anyone who doesn't know what it is.)
I'll try to put something in my next comment about the diet effect on my son's psychoisis and autism...and also on the comments from the GP.
Ed
Ed: Oooh hello mate; re Spinning Lady, do you mean you can only see her spinning clockwise? And is that on the original page or even with the buttons on the new page?
And re my "Q" Test, yes it would certainly affect perception, interesting link Ed, thank you. I may have to develop an experimental research to see if there is any correlation.
My "Q" Test, for those that don't know, is simpler for me to show you in person (as most who meet me have done to them anyway) than to describe on paper, as I need to really observe your reaction rather than you just tell me what you do. Hope that makes some degree of sense!!
Hi all! I'm taking a backwards approach to joining today's service. I decided to read the comments before looking at articles to get a sense of where to start. When I first logged on there were 65 comments, now there are 93. I'd best hurry before we split into a parallel comments box again....
And as always, thank you Karl for the care you give your students.
Joining this late is more like a swim up-stream than a splash in the pool!
Robin: Your ITLADic Studies will suffer with this level of tardiness young lady!
*looks over tortoise shell rimmed glasses*
Ha!
Keep paddling Robin!
*reaches out hand to assist*
No. 1
A fine demonstration of the 'Cartesian Theatre'. Imagine if we were presented all the information (regarding the mosquitoe's attack) at once!
btw, have you ever noticed when you swat at a mosquito on your arm, those around you often mimic your actions? LOL... CtCw working there? All of us entangled acarophobics!
Robin: Ha! Good point. Yes it is CtCw in action isn't it?
One word...........................
Itch!!!!!
*now try NOT to itch*
*scratches her head* LOL
And now, because I mentioned acaraphobia, I'll move on to the 'Fear' item.
Good Evening All, Tis the travelling Coventrian!
Lots of meat to chew over, a usual so I'll get stuck in!
Article#1
Baphoment - Thank you for the info regarding Manchester Uni's project - it will be useful to me in practice.
This is an example of the temporal time delay between what is received and what is perceived.
I also think that it is evidence that we receive the information internally before the actual event.
Di - The quote you used caught my attention as well and I also think it could be interpreted as the daemon helping present the 'rough notes' in a final form that would be most helpful to the eidolon.
Is that why I hate Cars?
*giggles*
Johar: Hello to you dear Travelling Wilbury! I thought I sensed a Coventrinian approaching!
article #1, EXCELLENT!!
*literally jumps for joy*
That is exactly the reason I placed it at Number ONE this week, and Woodsprite, Andrew and Susan Marie all came 99% of the way to hitting the nail bang on the head.
A+ to Johar
"The glutamate-free diet effect".
If there were a topic area for Mental Health matters related to ITLAD, this comment would belong there.
My son has recently gone onto a 'glutamate-free' diet. The results are amazing. For example, he has not had an anger episode for weeks. He has surprised everyone on the learning disability development course and now his GP has accepted that the change is 'remarkable'. He also has started to be sensitive to the needs of other people and will not interrupt or talk across conversations as he used to. Our lives have changed enormously and my wife and I are able to go out again, in the knowledge that he will be fine without us.
For those not familiar wth glutamate, it is a significant neurotransmitter as well as being the chemical that floods the brain at the point of 'death'. (I think that Tony would suggest that it is what kicks off the 'video playback' process.
Without Glutamate, we could not function. From what i have read, it also plays a major role in the Amygdala and Hypothalamus, which are responsible for linking emotions with events, and process of "fear learning" - the sort of processes that one might argue, if things were not working 'right', could create the symptoms associated with ASD and schizophremia. It is also known that some seizures are glutamate induced.
Glutamate gets into the body through many things that we eat, such as wheat and rye gluten, dairy products, (although mum's breast milk has far more glutamate than cow's milk), aspartame, and a lot of other things like yeast and tomato. Additionally, the flavour enhancer, MSG, is a major problem.
So, if for some reason, a person had an intolerance to excess free glutamate, then you can imagine how hard it is to keep it from one's diet. But you can also imagine that the effects of too much glutamate on a sensitive brain could be devastating, as indeed it appears to have been for our son who has suffered with ASD, big seizures and Schizophrenia.
The daemon thing for us has been the way that Mark has given us 'clues' all through his life in the form of riddles and obsessions. (More on this another time, maybe.)
Once we started to listen more to what he was saying and linking it to what we started to research ourselves, we began to find all kinds of facts linking together all of his problems and the synmptoms and the behaviours.
Our GP told us that we are in 'unchartered waters'. He knows about gluten and milk and other diets but has never come across of a glutamate diet or why it may be so important. But he cannot deny the evidence he sees in Mark. We now need to decide what to do next.I know that it is very important for Mark and probably for many others.
Anyone interested in the dietary thing, try this link to read up about something that a Dutch guy calls his "psychiatric diet" http://novaloka.nl/. It's thought provoking.
This story may seem very personal and not obviously connected with ITLAD. But this blog has become more to many people than pure ITLAD and i thank Tony for that.
Ed
Karl, you must have some warped version of amaxophobia...
http://phobialist.com/
oh, found it on the list...lol
Motorphobia, how plain is that?
Doesn't sound nearly as exciting as some of the others!
Article #2 Susan Marie - More grist for the mill! The last comments of this article add continuum to last weeks discussion on experimental Philosophy and shows the need to use all resources available to enlarge upon the philosophical research currently being undertaken. It can only help increase our awareness of what it is to be human, what makes us human and consciousness and place these findings in a solid Scientifically Philosophical framework.
This article seems to suggest that like informs like. That the more we perceive the humanness of something the more human attributes we give it.
However the term 'human-likeness' also suggests that perceptually we will always, subconsciously 'know' that these machines don't have consciousness and therefore cannot be quantum entangled as all conscious beings are.
Ed: A couple of days ago I mentioned to Tony that there should be an ITLADic Mental Health section on FORUM and I placed a comment also to that effect in Tony's post announcing the FORUM's opening.
You will be pleased to know that he tells me today that he will get some of my suggested new categories added to FORUM.
Thank you for sharing this with everyone Ed. I've been priviledged to listen to you talk about this on a few occasions now and you know I am keen to write with you within this area. I hope some of the other bloggers can contribute their thoughts also, and when we have the FORUM category functioning this should certainly be there mate.
See you Wednesday and you can give me the full update.
Robin: AMAXOPHOBIA! LOL!
Actually I'm ok as a passenger (unless it is my heavily pregnant Cousin that is driving - bless her) and I love driving myself. I just have no interest or desire regarding cars!! Yeah, Motorphobia is pooh!!
Wow ED, great information! I'll be interested to hear updates on how this diet works in the long run. The chemicals in our 'convenience-food world' is scary. I imagine glutamate-free shopping is a nightmare...
Good luck to you and your family.
Johar: "This article seems to suggest that like informs like"
Indeed it does! MUCH experimentation with Classical and Quantum Physics back this up. Like does inform like, and such is Consciousness within my CtCw. We are in-formed from the objective consciousness wave.
Have you been reading my notes????
Ha!
Karl - I've been paying attention although I do repeat myself sometimes!!! HA!
Ed - Great information, I find the glutamate connection fascinating. I'm really glad Mark is responding well to the new diet.
I am having a stream of consciousness which I will attempt to put into words.
Ed, you made the comment "so if for some reason someone had an intolerance to excess free glutamate".
This strikes me as very ITLADic. The doors of perception are open wider for you son than usual and were at birth.
Therefore he will be, quite naturally, sensitive to glutamate. This extra sensitivity already existed rather than being created by the introduction of glutamate later in his life. You have made the link and, as a result, you are seeing an improvement.
Maybe it is a daemonically guided situation, in as much as your investigations into Mark's autism and epilepsy will have great import educationally and from an ITLAD perspective.
Johar: Well said!
Karl
Thanks again for the links to good reading.
Ed - I'm so glad your son is improving with that diet. I have had issues with various foods when I was young and so did my son. I also saw a good British documentary many years back about food allergies and ADHD.
I was very interested in the autism article. I wonder if an important environmental factor that is causing our society problems is too much 24-hour light, the wrong kind of light and lack of sleep. Our industrialized societies seem to deny our need for sleep in dark and quiet.
Ra from Ca: Hi Ruth, thank you.
I can certainly agree with the sleep comment!!
I also have a vague memory of the documentary you mentioned also. I wonder if Ed saw it, must talk to him about that. Thank You.
Re: The Evolutionary Psychology article about fear.
Do you think the same results would hold true for fear that doesn't stem from the memory of a traumatic event?
As an example, I've always had anxiety related to spatial disorientation, a fear of heights. My fear is a result of faulty depth perception and terrible distance vision. I wonder if the amygdala is a key player in this type of anxiety.
For me the problem is not disabling, I can face the fear if absolutely necessary. (being very vocal in the process! lol) I know some people are paralyzed by heights.
Article #3
The idea of visualization has been discussed on the blog before and I've mentioned it's usage in Life Coaching Therapy.
I also think that during the temporal time delay, the daemon can alter our perception, thus positively improving our game.
Being 'in the zone' as Hurly mentioned is an altered state of consciousness and therefore daemonic in nature.
Once the perception is altered, the ability to 'see' a bigger hole becomes automatically encoded as our subjective reality.
Robin: Interesting question re the Evolutionary Psychology article.
Of course, if we are living within our Bohmian IMAX then EVERYTHING is a memory anyway (traumatic or otherwise)
Johar: re article #3, yes I agree and this could be seen as evidence to support Tony's theory (and mine) in that we act as the observers of our own universe. If The Daemon knows we are going to make the Putt (keeping the Golfing terminology) then it is presented to the Eidolon as seemingly bigger.
There are a multitude of implications for this article in my eyes.
hey! everyone...!
article#1 remainds me of the'Cone of Obliscence'by Geoffrey Sonnabend
Article #4
I have read many cases where peoples accents altered after a stroke. My mother worked with a gentleman who went from being a broad Brummie to having a strong German accent after his stroke.
Susan Marie, I like your idea about ancient memories.
I just can't begin to fathom what is available to our subjective reality from the objective consciousness field.
I also think it's case of brain rewiring and another example of neuro atypicality created by damage in the neural pathways.
Good lord, I come back and its up to 120 comments. Never saw triple digits in the blogosphere before this.
Johar, as usual your remarks are splendid, and leave me nothing to say in the face of them, except to give my assent.
And KLLM: that "in-formed" is beautiful, absolutely beautiful form of that word --is it from Bohm, or is it original to you? If it is the latter, I will scream--and it is simply not possible that you drive, I will write it off as some vicious lie on your part.
I am fully in agreement with both Ruth and Ed regarding sleep and diet: and these things are very, very ITLAD -related, as they effect the dyadic activity, as Tony makes so clear with his references to TLE, migraine, etc.--these things are after all part of the range and continuum of neurology and chemistry etc. which is at bottom human; there for dyadic in the Peakian sense.
Roshni: Thank You. Could you say some more about Sonnabend's work for those unfamiliar?
So if my physical self had wonkie eyes, then I'm doom for eternity with wonkie eyes... bummer! *wink*
Johar: re article #4, yes, again wonderful interpretation, especially seeing the implications to my CtCw theory within the article as well.
I'm luvin' the whole Cern interactive thingy (new itladian term, thanks to Tony) I can't stop playing with it! lol
Susan Marie: Yes it is David Bohm (In-formation) but I have adapted it to my theory of consciousness.
And of course I can drive, my dear. I just choose not to bother these days owing to cost and environmental issues and the fact that I couldn't care less about cars!
*smile*
the cern project..
at first look the pic looks like a huge spiders web....amazing!
im always amazed to see how human beings take inspiration from nature, whether it is machines, energy,or a simple thing like hair colour..the other day i saw a woman whose hair was coloured exactly like a cock`s feathers!
Robin: When I was young I heard Howard Keel singing in Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, "Bless Your Beautiful Hide" and I thought he said "Bless Your Beautiful Eyes"
Ha!
Well, I was only about 7, I didn't know what a "beautiful HIDE" was!!
*giggles*
yes..karl..."Obliscence, Theories of Forgetting and the Problem of Matter" by Geoffrey Sonnabend
In his three volume work Obliscence, Theories of Forgetting and the Problem of Matter, Geoffrey Sonnabend departed from all previous memory research with the premise that memory is an illusion. Forgetting, he believed, not remembering is the inevitable outcome of all experience. From this perspective,
"We, amnesiacs all, condemned to live in an eternally fleeting present, have created the most elaborate of human constructions, memory, to buffer ourselves against the intolerable knowledge of the irreversible passage of time and the irretrieveability of its moments and events."
But does Bohm mean the term, and use it as you do, "in-formed"? That is what I want to know. (And you cannot drive, its simply not possible, some of us could not carry on if you could. )
Roshni: I will look for what you have to add of that article.
Robin: re CERN, thank you Robin. As I said to Hurlyburly earlier (try saying that after a few ales), towards the end of the interactive section it does get a bit Quantum Mechanics based but if you have any questions then I'm happy to help as I am a self-confessed Large Hadron Collider NERD!
*smile*
awww, I like the eyes interpretation!
Roshni: "the other day i saw a woman whose hair was coloured exactly like a cock`s feathers!"
*spits out Whiskey*
There really is no answer to that!
*cheeky giggles*
The whole article can be read here
http://www.mjt.org/exhibits/delson/oblisci.html
Oh, Roshni, that is very akin to Nietzsche: He said, our memory yields in the end, to deliberate forgetting. That is fascinating, and it rings true. Memory itself is a festering wound, in Nietzsche's theory, that must be dealt with through sleight of hand ---of course Freud sucked these ideas right out of Nietzsche, and gave people to understand they were original.
Susan Marie: Yes David Bohm used the term "in-formed" relating to the nature of sub-atomic particles.
And why is my being able to drive a car such an amazing concept?
*hugs*
KARL;SORRY! BUT I LOVE IT WHEN U GIGGLE! (and now im giggling too!)
Robin: Thank You
*blushes*
Roshni: Thank you for the link, and for the giggle-fest!
Article #5
I was irked by the term 'developmental disability'
Ed has pointed out in previous posts it is not the child that is disabled, it is society's lack of education that is the problem! I have already commented on the food aspect so I won't add to that.
The T.V link interested me, could this affect a child's perception? If the child exists within the Bohmain IMAX, the internal recoding is laid down from past life memories.
If the daemon is constantly (over numerous reruns)subjected to reduced contact with other conscious beings and can only perceive 'second life' images (T.V) can it have an affect on quantum entanglement, leading to eidolon withdrawal and social inhibition?
This is suggestive of Tony's Scale of Trancendance that was mentioned earlier and also supports Roshni's comment on the importance of family.
Di - I loved your comments, you are so well informed, I am looking forward to chatting to you on Wednesday. I concur with most of your comments, especially the food, social awareness and daemon aspects. The only area I wonder about is the genetic aspect. Once we enter the Bohmian IMAX our genetics are fixed and I believe it is daemonic guidance that facilitates change rather than genes. Or am I wrong in thinking genes are fixed?
Johar: re article #5, yes I share your irksome state! The euphemisms within Mental Health are appalling! Which is why I use terms like neuro-atypicality as that is MUCH better the ones in current use!
In answer to your question on Eidolonic withdrawal, I would answer YES if we take pure ITLAD and NO if we add CtCw to ITLAD.
And no, you are totally correct with your genetic comment JoJo.
LeMarcs, you thanked Robin for something that was typical Roshni---Robin has too much dignity to act so, but Rosh and I cast it all to the 4 winds for you----Yes, we all know how beautiful his giggles are( and he should be put out as a public service for that, among other things. )
Bohm is a PRECURSOR- and what a precursor to you & Peake, then!!!!!
You cannot drive, as you must be magically transported (no one comes out of Provincetown without the god delusion).
And does he say, "in-volved" as in "involutionary"? Where is Bohm, is he Peake's contemperary? Have you two met him?
I want to become a Quantum guru, however i spent most of the day lazing around. I just watched "clue" - greatest last line to a movie ever "I'm gonna go home and sleep with my wife"
I shall spend an hour reading some more of Jakes book now though, marvelous stuff. It's been nice conversing with you all today, i think i've refreshed this forum about 10,000 times today.
Re- diet - I went to see an allergy specialist on thursday - what a waste of time. Went all the way there just to be told that they can't do anything for me at all. About 5 years ago i went about 2 years without any dairy in my diet, not the easiest thing to do, i'm much better too nowdays but more due to the fact that i self medicate with prednisone when i need it!
RE- Sleep and light.
I was having the same conversation on another forum the other say, lots being said about 1000's of years of our bodies being used to certain types of light at certain times. As someone who has fallen asleep with the t.v on everyday since i was about 10 i am convinced this has a serious effect on one's health.
When grief goes beyond the blues...
loved the article..
my aunt suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,wondering if CBT would help her....
Susan Marie: I DID NOT!!
I thanked Robin for saying she liked my "eye interpretation" and I thanked Roshni for saying she liked my giggles.
David Bohm was the main quantum physicist behind the Implicate Order of Quantum Mechanics and he died in 1992.
Tony references him often in ITLAD and indeed the Bohmian IMAX is so called in deference to him!
Hurlyburly: Thank You Martin, I am glad you have found today's Sunday Service enjoyable and thank you for your contributions today mate.
Roshni: I can say with some degree of certainty that Cognitive Behavioural Therapy would most likely help your Aunt with here PTSD, yes.
Has anyone heard of the game called Carrom?
Its a game thats played in most indian houses ..i used to play it a lot whn i was a kid...(and sometimes even today)
article#3 I can identify with it absolutely....It happens i think when level of concentration is very strong and focused..
RE: Article #5
Just noticed the link article with it DOH!!
"The findings also support the use of behavioral therapies in autism, which expose children to a rich environment and highly repetitive activities that may help turn on the genes and strengthen synaptic connections, Morrow adds."
This supports my idea that T.V does somehow interfere with the child's perception of 'reality' and in order to prevent the negative effect of too much 'second life' exposure they require the nurturing that the above quote suggests.
I realise now that from a CtCW perspective I understand that the child is ALWAYS quantum entangled.
I was seeing a link between reduced subjective interaction within their phaneron and whether this, over many past life memory reruns will cause the eidolon to withdraw from it's perceived external 'reality', whilst the daemon allows more access to greater perception internally.
Roshni: I own a glorious Carrom Board yes, I love playing the game.
For those that do not know it is like snooker or pool but played with discs on a very shiny surface, with pockets in the corners, and you flick The Striker disc to knock other discs into the pockets.
Thanks for that Roshni, yes article #3 is all about the visualisation of goals and in Carrom this would certainly help.
I may have a game or two later!
Johar: DOH and BRAVO in equal measures!
*chortle*
Spinning lady wore me out. As I look around the room, everything is moving...
Yes, the white lines made it difficult to change her direction but just as in the original, the further I put her in my periphery, the easier it became.
And I'm wondering what it is about Karl and eyes? Anyone else see the pattern? From 'Sensation of Being Stared At' to the photos he posts and the misunderstood lyrics, I think for him, eyes might be an obsession.
wow! karl! i love that game! fancy u having a carom board!...we call the red disc the queen...oh! im so happy...im going to take mine out and set it up for a game soon!
Robin: re Spinning Lady, HA! Yes, well, I did put the WARNING in the post!!
Ah your psychoanlysis of me is intriguing. Yes I am very much an eye fellow! I am a, what psychologists term, eye-contact listener.
And the eyes tell me SO much about someone!
Roshni: Yes, I call it the Queen also. It's a wonderful game for hand-eye co-ordination and just for lazy evenings. I'm glad I've made you happy!
*smile*
I think i shall stay up tonight and learn more about our wonderful universe.
Karl, or anyone, do you have anymore suggested links similar to The Nova - elegant universe thing i watched a while back? I've recently series linked "The universe" on our sky plus and have been enjoying that thoroughly!
Karl, I remember you mentioning that about being a eye contact listener and didn't you say that when lecturing you make more eye contact with those who are not participating as a technique to draw them in?
Wow! You go away from this blog for a couple of hours and things don't half move on!
Johar; Your comments are excellent and have introduced yet another spark to ignite my ponderings. The whole idea of the temporal time delay you linked to #1 has pushed my understanding a bit further. And I tend to agree with you about genetics although the article suggested that BEHAVIOURAL therapy could switch the genes on or off - so the genes cannot be alterred but their status can. A challenging idea?
Robin: I have a so-called fear of heights for the same reasons as you suggest. To be accurate I don't have a fear of heights but a fear of falling. So I adore flying because I don't feel I can fall out of the plane and I love to look out of the window. But ask me to stand two rungs up a ladder and I'n a quivering wreck!
Ed: Brilliant comments. I'm so pleased that your hard work is paying off. I can't wait to catch up with your son's progress when I see you on Wednesday.
Karl: your misheard song title reminded me that when my son was small he thought Paul Young was singing "Every time you go away, you take a piece of MEAT with you!"
And the speed of the postings only makes even more in awe of Karl who somehow manages to keep up and comment throughout! And even when he's not feeling on top form.
Three cheers for Karl ... hip hip
Hurly:
Have you been to the pbs site where you can watch full episodes? I'm sure there's plenty there to interest you!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/
Hurlyburly: Hundreds mate, yes. If you can find Jim Al-Khalili's "Atom" series from last year then those 3 programmes are a MUST if you want a basis in Quantum Physics. The Universe series you mention was alright but there is a better series called "What We Still Do Not Know" by Martin Rees, the astronomer Royal.
And if you REALLY want to stretch yourself, get hold of Stephen Hawking's "The Universe In A Nutshell" (ideally the illustrated edition)
Robin: Yes I did say that, and I teach that technique to anyone who has to make a public speech.
The extra article about 3D visual Illusions is interesting.
If I cover my left eye and stare at the right photo both photos become identical!
Is our brain trying to 'see' a 3D image? If so it's then conceivable that our 'reality' is based only on our perception, an internally generated, 3D existence.
Woodsprite: Yes, I apologise, my Sunday Service idea does seem to have caught everyones interest somewhat!!
*giggles at Paul Young*
The CLASSIC misheard lyric is of course Jimi Hendrix "Excuse me, while I kiss the sky" which most people think is "Excuse me, while I kiss this guy"
And yes, I have ZERO energy and have hardly moved off the sofa all day but I do what I do because I'm a caring old duffer!!
*smile*
Thank You Di
*hugs*
Johar: re 3-D Visual Illusions, yes it is interesting isn't it, I'm VERY glad you read that.
It just goes to show that what we "Think" we see is not often the "reality" and thus it enters into ITLADic philosophy.
Good stuff JoJo!
Robin & Karl - Thank you for the suggestion, will check those out tonight. My to read pile is also still ridiculous, must make a dent in that while i am without job!
Hurlyburly: I know that feeling! My "to read" pile has been growing steadily longer since I was 8!
Karl: Well I've had zero energy because of two late nights carousing and all I've done today is think about stuff on here. The house is still a tip, the ironing pile is reaching monumental heights and the hedge just continues to grow rampant! So I truly admire your stamina
*hug*
Woodsprite: Thank You. At least I can have a rest on Tuesday before our ITLADic Liverpool Shennanigans begin!
*gosh*
regarding misheard song lyrics, this is one I heard a long time ago, can't remember now who said it!
WARNING Rude Word - read no further if you have tender proclivities *grin*
"Bless my soul, what's wrong with me" (Elvis)
"Blossom arsehole, what's wrong with me!"
Do it in an Elvis styley - hilarious!!
Johar: "Than' U verymuch"
Ha Ha!
Karl - *giggle*
Johar: Excellent! Hehe!
I'm so looking forward to meeting you on Wednesday!
Northern show offs...
*Sulks in southern land.*
I found the Atom series on You Tube, shall watch that now, thanks.
YAY Me too Di!
Karl, I meant to add regarding the link article to Article #5 The use of the word MUTATIONS in relation to genetics interested me. Does your use of the word in relation to probability density function have a connection. Are these 'genetic' mutations actually daemonic mutations?
Johar: The only link would be semantic, in my opinion.
OK, Just a thought!
Johar: It was a great thought JoJo.
Everyone: Right! I've been doing this for ELEVEN hours now so I think I deserve a rest. And with another Manic Monday tomorrow I will not be here until the evening so I would like to thank everyone for yet another tremendous days discourse and discussion towards the ITLADic studies.
*removes Professorial gown, hangs up Diamante encrusted Blog Mod hat and collapses on sofa*
WOW!! As ever, some wonderful posts which I stumble across on Monday morns(always have been a straggler!!) Have to get some x rays and want to post later but I just want to thank you Karl, for grief post, which always resonates with me personally, or others whom it touches,, unresolved, it is always perplexing to others, who think one is relatively in decent circumsatnces(albeit having to work!!) and cannot understand why I dont just *get on with it* I think I will pursue some of the treatment described.. thank you...and please take care of your self too...
Jesamyn.
Nite Nite Karl,
Get some well deserved rest!!
Looking forward to some deeply ITLADic discourse (and a profusion of giggles) on Wednesday!!
Hi,I got home and I am very tired and i see you are going to go to 200 again,and Im sorry i cannot read through all the thread.But I wanted to thankyou for allowing me to be part of your forum though I have to work and go tomy dad and eat so I cant focus as well as I should. I liked the 3D illusions slide show and it is like the Bohemian imax in that the brain adjusts our perception and Nietzsche in gay science says it too. Perception alters the reality and in part creates that which we see, and the way it is seen and the concept we form,. and it happens in psychological ways as well as the visusal, there is a parallel mechanism I suppose.I wish I could say more but im tired out now, but thank you Professor le Marcs for your fine presentation of these articles which apply so well to your own and Tony Peake's theories.
karl:Ive a been a good student this time,havent I? hope you are feeling better then yesterday...
artilce#5...
I was wondering if homosexuality can also have environmental origins?is it possible?
Roshni: Karl is away all day until late tonight, and has asked me to keep an eye on his post. I think he feels you were an excellent student, and is very pleased with you!
I for one believe that homosexuality is complex and do not think the "born that way" argument applies to all. I have presented papers countering that argument. There are psychological and cultural aspects, and the environmental theory which is applied in the article to autism could also be applied in part to some types of homosexuality, to my thinking. All of the above I would take into account in viewing Tony's scale of transcendence as well.
Andrew: As you know your Professor has been dispatched to deal with manifold business today, and I am certain that he liked your response to #5, and that he is simply happy that you took time out of your busy schedule to participate in his service.
Rosh: I wanted to add that of course Karl will have his own opinion, but I for one do not view homosexuality in any way as a deformity; I see it in the same way as I view Asperger syndrome, as a variation of the makeup of the human person, and I believe in the basic bisexuality of humans.
Hi...
Susan Marie: re: the homosexuality point...
If we live our lives over and over again, perhaps in one of those instances we will experience this alternate sexuality for ourselves?
After all, it does appear to be one of the many variations on the 'complete human experience'?
And if this is true, the possibilities are endless. So, as many would say, "Don't knock it until you have tried it."
Ed
ED: Your point about recurrences is extremely well taken, and I would agree. I also think that the most fully integrated of persons - and this viewed within the Peakian eidolon/daemon dyad - would tend to be neither fully hetero nor homo in their sexuality. From what I have noticed within the generations born after my own (and I would say there are two now, one in their late 30s; another about 15-28 or so) this is already a marked tendency, and I am not really thinking here so much of sexual behavior, as of seeming to have the tow genders blended in their personae. By the way, Ed, I found your talk of diet and Mark's experience with it to be very, very relevant to the entire dyad and CTF thesis, and we know what emphasis Tony himself has placed on neurological states in relation to the daemon. Thank you so much, your input it certainly very appreciated by me, Ed!
I wanted to add, in looking back over the articles, in particular the one on protracted grief: The linked article proclaiming a definite genetic cause for clinical depression is to me one more reason to see the human as wholly physical, and attacked by depression on the animal level, as Peter Kramer asserts. And the mind/body dualists with their strong spiritualism seem all wrong here. If one reads the quantum philosophy of Eric Steinhart, who is positive that we are bodies, and nothing more, it can be seen that this in no way precludes recurrence nor does it imply that death is a mere biological fact. Steinhart has a wonderful resurrection theory which fits in well with the Daemon concept, and I have always wished that he would communicate with Tony and Karl ( I will meet with him in person if I have to to that end).
Ed and Susan,
I really like your comments regarding the fluidity of our sexuality, it reflects the ITLADic concept of a constantly running life experience that can, most certainly, encompass every human experience.
Looking at it in this way also highlights the need for tolerance and non judgmental attitudes to the diverse populous that makes up this planet. Again it fits beautifully with the CtCW theory of connectedness. Prejudice against those who have different lifestyles, colour, mentality, beliefs etc is prejudice against ourselves as we are part of each other.
When you point the finger, remember there are 3 fingers pointing back at yourself.
JOHAR: That is a really interesting way of putting it, and I do appreciate it. I have always felt that within Peakian theory, and LeMarcsian, lies a new basis for meta-analysis of ethical issues and for axiologic valuation. I am frustrated as hell (excuse me) as I cannot get the philosophical community to join me in writing: they sing the praises of the 2 Brits, but leave all the writing to me!!!
Reference extra Article: Brain Cells Related to Fear Identified
This focuses on memory,so, for me, the question is - how far back do the memories go?
A fear/trauma memory cannot be erased, it is recorded forever and relived within the Bohmian IMAX experience. I liken this to a nightmare. Many would say a nightmare is a terrifying experience but on closer inspection,it is simply our own deepest fears or concerns about our persona come to the surface of our subconscious during sleep.
I see in the as an opportunity to learn. The nightmare is providing us with the chance to face our fear and, in Jungian terms, begin integrating the shadow aspect of out psyche into our ego, forming a holistic healthy whole.
The fear memory is the same. It is an opportunity to face something we may have been experiencing countless times over many past life memory reruns. Facing or beginning to understand the fear gives the daemon the opportunity to guide us and heal us.
I also see in this article the idea that there may be some protective cause. The initial fear memory that was laid down may have caused serious injury or death to the eidolon, so in subsequent reruns the daemon will be hyper aware of this memory and allow the eidolon access to the memory too freely, thus causing an over reaction to the stimuli.
Susan Marie
Thank goodness we have YOU shouting for the Lads over there. The time will come, I have no doubt of it, and it will be in large part to your utter tenacity, devotedness and belief in these two.
Keep at it, it WILL bear fruit!
*hugs*
Yes, JoJo; I like your idea about daemonic guidance to healing. You are very apt at relating all you read back to the dyad, that is excellent and keeps things contained tightly within the framework in which the theory can expand. I hope you saw my post above thanking you for your fine input on ethics. We tend to post at the same time, and sometimes miss eachother; happens also with Rosh and Woodsprite!
Susan Marie The theory has such diverse applications and the ethical analysis you talk about would surely bring about a tidal wave of rethinking when bought into the public domain and within philosophical debate.
OH, Jojo: Just saw your other post come up: I am always accusing KLLM of not having seen mine, and now I am the one who is guilty of it. Thank you for saying it will bear fruit; I have a certain sense of urgency and mania about it, as I believe that lesser theories ( less unifying, less robust philosophically) are beginning to flood the American market, and I wanted Peake/LeMarcs on the banner which flies over quantum philosophy. So you will soon see the two in person? Of course in my mind they have taken on the proportion of legends or Greek demi-gods, and I will probably be too insane by the time I actually meet them to behave in any normal fashion ( mania is a common trait among philosophical and political pundits, such as I am---I will most likely need to be under the influence of something).
Just saw that, too---I keep getting your responses as I post my own. Well, I sure hope your optimism is correct, JoJo: the theories are beautiful, I just hope I am the right PR/philosopher to do them justice ( at my best, I know I am; but alas, I am not always at my best by any means).
Oh Susan Marie, you do make me laugh!! I have a mental image of you now meeting Karl and Tony and being thoroughly overexcited!!
If it is any consolation, I am meeting them both on Wednesday and as am thoroughly overexcited and you!!!
I feel that I will probably babble and be unable to string a sentence together to the point that they will wonder if it really is the same JoJo who posts on here and not some rather deranged impostor!! LOL
Oh, that is funny! They've become a couple of gods, and they are both too modest to have ever wanted any such! But I envy you your proximity, and please give me a blow by blow description of seeing the 2 of them ( I hope no one will argue and come to physical blows, though!)----and more on my sense of urgency re the 2 of them over here in New York: I think extraordinary precautions are going to have to be taken to protect and promote their theories: I have noticed some talk about the recurrence and IMAX idea over here, without any reference being made to Peake!
By the way, I see we are nearing 200 and may go into the quantum bifurcation soon!
JESAMYN: I wanted to mention to you that I also was drawn to the article RE grief which becomes stalled and problematic. I have found Tony's CTF theory to be the sole reasonable consolation, and it is in a sense the means by which I continue to deny that my husband has died. So long as there exists theorists like T and KLLM who can ground their ideas in the mechanics of quantum science and the (to me) heavenly spheres of philosophical discourse, then I am saved from the killing despair which would otherwise ensue. I know you do feel similar, and I wonder if Peake is aware that for those of a certain ilk, he is the saving and fostering power. . .
Who is talking of IMAX over there then? It would be interesting to see their theories as well.
I am off out now Susan Marie, thank you for a lively chat.
X
Thank you, have a nice afternoon, Johar. I am speaking of talk I have heard just among those I know who work in writing/reporting as I do, that "rather than reincarnation, we may live our same lives endlessly, like a recording, etc." and this seems to me to be banter which has surely arisen from Peake's text. And of course I ask, was that idea garnered from Peake, and they say they read something somewhere on the blogosphere, etc. This is why I bring his name up always, and write always on the two. BYE.
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