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95 comments:
Johar:
What makes you think we have met him before in our previous runs?
My daemon doesn't seem to be telling me that I have met Karl before. Does yours?
Hi Ra,
If we take Tony's theory that we live our lives over then we will come into contact with the same people each time and as we evolve, new people as well, such as in Groundhog Day.
What I'm curious about is how Karl would fit into that because if he is a VL then he would not have been around in our previous runs, would he?
Does that make any sense?
I think he could be a virgin in his own world, even if we encounter him again and again....
My understanding is that we may relive our life but at any time some new decision might be made which could mean a new stream of experiences; e.g. you meet someone new with the name Karl. As we go down this new road, our daemon is not guiding us from the past because it is all new.
Have I got this right?
Ra, That sounds right to my understanding. It was just a musing that if Karl has not been here before then maybe we will not have experienced him in our previous lives. I suppose the follow onto that is not who people are in our lives but why they are in our lives. I wonder if there is some alignment that puts people into our stream of experience for specific reasons and it's not just random particles bumping into one another, if you catch my drift.
Certainly each of us have personal reasons for being guided to Anthony's ideas. Speaking for myself I feel they have enriched my thinking. As to a collective purpose, we are certainly entangled in some way, but I have no idea why that is the case.
GOR BLIMEY!!!
A post about me; JoJo what are you doing girl!!
Right, to answer your main question: "If Karl is a VL, then how can we have met him before in our previous runs?" - Simply; you can't have met me before, for if this is my Virgin Life then this is also the first time I can have been involved in yours! This is, I assert, why I have never experienced Deja Vu and why those people who I do know experience Deja Vu regularly have never had one when I am around.
And if this world does indeed have a "grand plan", and it in anyway requires me as a part of it, then we are all doomed surely!
*smile*
Ra from Ca: Thank you Ruth, I agree with you re your Daemon not suggesting you have met me before because I assert that the Daemon cannot have ANY knowledge of any Virgin Lifer, by definition.
And it's amazing how many people from hypnotic regression to those who communicate with their Guardian Angels, to ITLADists and beyond that report to me that I seem to have a "newness" about me!
Robin: Interesting thoughts there, I have been writing something similar into my own Consciousness Theory.
Johar: JoJo you make some very intelligent remarks there, and I agree with most of them on the whole.
And, as I assert that everyone is, in effect, a particle of consciousness, then it is these quantum entanglements which we form through our daily lives that drives the collective thought-forms such as these.
FABO stuff ain't it!
*hugs-a-plenty*
My own opinion has always been that K. is not a VL at all, but has gotten the whole thing reversed. I intuit that he is one in whom, through long recurrence, the eidolon has become fused with the daemon; the two have become one. One might say that the eidolon has been absorbed by the daemon, so that it is the latter which is speaking through him, and shows its face to the world. Something of this idea is taken up by Nietzsche, who makes the claim that the man [overman] who would have the entire subsoil of history, of personal history as well, within him, would thereby have no knowledge that this was his state."He will not look around with weary eyes at the world" says Nietzsche, " and ask if this is all there is; for him, there will be enough.". . . Of course this is only my own opinion being wagered, but there is much to support it; I think also some of K.'s traits which reveal him to be less inclined to certain penchants for projection/extension ( his intense dislike of cars; unusual for a man) would be a strong indication and support of my own intuition. For my part, he has seemed familiar from the start, especially when I first came on the blog and saw the Le Marcs name, and viewed the profile picture, but I may have spent too much time in Provincetown, and have a propensity for making comparisons and references.
I forgot to add that, if the thesis I advance is correct, this would quite do away with the sense of deja vu, or messages from the daemon to the eidolon; the daemon would have absorbed the eidolon, lost interest in him, as it were, and cast him off, as Socrates cast off Alcibiades.
WOWZER!
Susan Marie: Thank You; my flabber is well and truly gasted!
Your Nietzschean angle is very interesting and worth my deeper considerations: And cars, yes, grrrr! No interest whatsoever!
*smile*
And to your additional comment: I would be interested to hear Tony's thoughts on your "absorbed eidolon" thesis, as I find it fascinating as a concept.
*cast off in a sea of ennui*
"my flabber is well and truly gasted"
I love it! Got to remember that one.
Susan Marie: Love your Nietzsche perspective. Does this mean that Karl's daemon is forgetful? How could he forget us lovelies! If so he cast off too much of value!
*a Le Marcs wink*
PS SM -- nice to see you back in print
Nice to see you, Ra; always a delight of the highest order. I was thinking my emails had sent you screaming for cover. Thanks for asserting our value!
Ra from Ca:
*smile*
I could never cast off anything as valuable as all of you.
And I agree with you re my Dear Lady, Susan Marie; she is a delight to read isn't she?
I've been reading "The Zen of Creativity" and came across this passage which seems to apply to Johar's idea about "some sort of alignment" (at least to me).
"The Truth is constantly unfolding. It cannot be contained. In Zen, as we practice and verify the truth in our experiences, our vision extends indefinitely. Practice is ceaseless. We clarify our aspiration, we practice, realize the truth and actualize it as our lives. Then we return to our aspirations, we practice, realize, actualize. It's a continual spiral, each sweep of the circle rising higher and higher. New perspectives, previously unseen appear and open up. There's always a little bit further to go, always something that is yet unseen." Then this quote from Einstein "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science"
For me the mystery is both painful and exquisite.
Susan Marie,
That is a fantastic theory! I've often thought a VL would be less aware, more world based, like, if you can see it, it's real, if you like and Karl is obviously none of these. Your theory nicely explains why Karl is so aware, has a raging curiosity and is seemingly unmaterialistic (apart from the desire for ale!) I really must read some Nietzsche, sounds like he's got some awesome things to say and you, SM, impart and interpret them beautifully. Thanks X
Thank you, Johar. Nietzsche is truly the master existentialist. Yes, K. possesses in abundance the qualities of genius, creativity, sensitivity and robustness of intellect; he is other-worldly in his grasp, comprehension, and intuition of manifold things, and is scholarly in the extreme, and a prolific writer. And all of 37 years of age: This cannot possibly be a man who has only started; I think if anything he is finished, and will soon depart for the transcendent realm. We shall have to look for him On High, and burn incense to him, along with his Master, Peake. Again, thanks, Johar. You all look sweet in your photos: I see a harem forming: lol.
RA: BEAUTIFUL quotes!!!!
"I think if anything he is finished, and will soon depart for the transcendent realm"
*shocked*
I MEANT WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED WITH THIS ONE, AT PRECISELY AGE 97!!!
Ra from Ca: Ruth, I know the Einsteinian quote well but the passage from "The Zen of Creativity" is very interesting I agree, and how synchrondipitous!
Johar:
*blush*
Susan Marie:
*blushes on blush*
Wow, I am deeply humbled and shall have to go retrieve my ego from where it has run to hide in the cupboard under the stairs!
*gulp*
I'm just Karl !!!
Yeah, riiiiiight.
97!!! Good Lord!!! You mean I have another 60 years of raging Insomnia to endure? Bummer!!
*smile*
KLLM: I trust that you know I was only in jest, purely in jest, regarding my sardonic remark on your sweet ego, who I know flees faster than Lessing's son fled from this earth. Truly, a proper majesty is maintained by you, and your ego knows both how to flee, and how to stay the course. Respectfully yours, smk
*bows respectfully*
Thank You, Dear Lady.
Karl:
The way I see it there is no way this is your first time around. This is not your virgin life! You might have amnesia because the last turn you made was a doozy!
Ra from Ca:
"Doozy"
*giggles*
Thank You Ruth.
Well, I am putting myself "out there", seeing all manner of specialists in every field imagineable and am repeatedly told that I have this "newness" about me: no Guardian Angel; no past-life regressions; no hypnotic regression; no Daemon; no Deja Vu; no Precognition (even Rachael has not materialised into reality yet - if she does then this of course alters EVERYTHING); no communication from anyone's Daemon regarding me etc etc etc.
So my natural assumption is that this may well be my Virgin Life (or Virgin Recording, if my Daemon does exist but has already guided me away from my last life recording which would therefore mean my Daemon and Eidolon are now laying down a Virgin Recording and neither has any cognisance of what is to come).
I'm still agreeing with Susan Marie, Karl is the Daemon made flesh !!
Hey Susan Marie, do we get to wear the veils and jingly coin belts when we join Karl's harem - I'm up for that sounds like great fun!! hehe!
Ra, the quotes are wonderful, what a perfect explanation from The Zen of creativity. And I'm in total agreement that the process can be extremely painful as well and wondrous.
Johar; I am with you, completely. Yes, we will do it up in grand style.
*covers face with hands*
Johar:
Put me down for one veil an jingly coin belt.
Ruth: You are adorable!!!
Karl's covered his face with his hands but I bet he's peeking between his fingers to get a look at the babes belly dancing!!
Right, let's drag this kicking and screaming back to some semblance of topic!
I've been giving Susan Marie's "Daemonic absorption of the Eidolon" idea some consideration.
The one area of Tony's CTF thesis that I take some issue with is the concept of our recurrences being Eternal. Pure Mathematics and Cantor's Infinities would suggest that Time is not infinitely subdivisible owing to the quanta of Planck's Constant, ie in this instance, Planck Time.
I assert that as each recurrence occurs in a regressively exponential subjective time-frame that it is feasible that one must therefore have not only a Virgin Life at the outset, but also an Ultimate Life, that being the FINAL run through after which there is no remaining space-time in which a further recurrence can possibly exist.
Now, if we consider that when we reach this Ultimate Life, that our Daemon "knows" there is no requirement to further record the events for a recurrent playback, then Susan Marie's concept of Daemonic Absorption of the Eidolon can become entirely logical.
This Ultimate Life would therefore be Daemonic in entirety and could explain all the comments that everyone has made on Johar's intriguing original question regarding myself and my search for my Daemon, as such a search would be, by definition, tautologous; searching, in effect, for that which one already is.
I hope that Tony will consider this thought-process here soon as it is an interesting development in the EITLAD and one which now requires me to go lie down in a darkened room with a cold flannel!
Addendum:
Then, if we place Tony's entire CTF thesis within my "Collapsing the Consciousness Wave" ideology, at the end of our Ultimate Life as our particle of subjective consciousness has no further space-time in which to recur then we lose sentience and our original collapse of the objective consciousness wave is reversed and our particle of consciousness, now unobserved by subjective empiricalism, ascends back to the Consciousness Field and the Akashic Records.
This is yet another example of how Tony's theory and my own sit perfectly in harmony with each other and actually strengthen the validity of each in turn.
Or Something!
Yes; I certainly see all that you have set forth, and find it all very unifying and cohesive. I would tend to think that existence, though, must always precede essence, so the ultimate existence would have at some point to make a "return back". I suppose I have the Nietzschean bias very strongly from my academic training, and this bias may have something of prejudice in it, or be subject to fallacy. In any case for my part it is counter-intuitive to think in terms of fusing with light or One; I am very much on the side of life, as it exists, and the other seems a shadow's shadow. Perhaps just a fear. I also am quite weak on the scientific theories, and view all through the lens of philosophy, literature, the poetic and the human. Yet I am of course in awe of your quite advanced theorizing, alien to my own, but as subtle and profound as any I have known, and as I have stated many times - and most emphatically at that - do truly discern the reciprocal augmentation of your and Tony's respective theories. Nothing at all is lost, and there is an advance, most decidedly. And it is a clean advance, and a very secure one, and does not tear anything essential asunder, but raises it all up, and does honor to the beautiful foundations. I hope you continue to flesh all of this out, it ought to make an elegant thesis.
Just to clarify further my own perspective, lest it seem that I have glossed over your own: When I am thinking of the eidolon being reabsorbed into the daemon, I am thinking of an event which is a fusion of the human and the supra-human; poetic, arising from the depths of nature, human history. It is a psychological event, and speaks to my philosophy. To think of the how and the why in terms of time, and what that scientifically comprises, I have no language for, none whatever. So it is not apathy, but knowing my own place, which makes me stay out of those waters. Does not mean I am not looking and absorbing and listening.
Susan Marie, I think your hypothesis that Karl is on his final run blends well with what Karl is suggesting regarding the beginning (VL) and the end life (what can we call this, it can be added to the glossary!?).
I too, like you SM, fear the idea that we will go back to nothing. We so much want to believe we will go on forever!
Karl, your theory is elegant and sound, as usual! Each week we seem to be seeing some progression in the theory. What a great team we are!!! *jingles coin belt enthusiastically*
Karl, once we ascend back to the consciousness field, what happens then? Is it possible we restart as another VL?
We, as sentient beings, create particles of subjective consciousness as we observe our way through our recurrences. These particles must be stored (in the form of memories?) awaiting the point in time when they will join some alternate plane of existence.
If life recurrences regress into smaller and smaller subjective time frames, the collected particles of consciousness must become dense in proportion to the shrinking quanta of space-time.
Might this mean that the final go-round, the Ultimate Life, is much like a Supernova of consciousness releasing all collected particles back to the Akashic Records; perhaps exploding from the individual in bursts of creativity and hyper-awareness?
One of the main issues I have always had with CTF is when does it start and when does it end (indeed this rather reflects the ultimate philosophical questions with regard to the start and finish of the universe).
A close reading of ITLAD will show that I concur with Karl in regard of the "Vigin Life". I accept that there had to be a first life when the Bohmian IMAX was recorded. Indeed in order for every possible outcome of a life to be available within the expanded Bohmian IMAX then there needs to have been trillions of Virgin Lives for every Daemon-Eidolon Dyad. One or other version of each of us has a Virgin Life that involves each and every life eventuality.
Indeed this issue came up in my talk with Alex (Shane) a few days ago. Alex used the super-computer game programme whereby the outcome of every action and decision that the game-player makes is already programmed in. As Alex rightly said this suggestion does away with the concept of time because each outcome exists concurrently within the programme. This of course also has echoes of Frank Tipler's "Physics of Immortality" thesis.
So each of us have had countless Virgin Lives and these make up the programme of our personal computer game.
I also agree with Karl that at some time the programme (game, life?) has to be completed. Using agaian the gaming analogy it is when the aim or quest of of the game is succesfully completed. The reward for a completion (the 'perfect life' maybe?) is to be allowed to move onto the next stage of existence as a fully intigrated entity - a Daemon-Eidolon unity. (is this not similar to scientology's "Operating Thetan"?)
Clearly if Cantor is right (and after spending some time reading up on this fascinating man I cannot but feel that he is right) then 'time' cannot be infinitely bisected (but then again I suspect that we have already dispensed with time a purely subjective construct).
However, and this to me is a profoundly important point. A dying person's multiple 'returns' with the Bohmian IMAX tike place in a timeless zone and as such to the point of view of the external observer the dying person dies straight away and thus 'moves on' straight away into that mystery realm beyond death.
In this way I argue that CTF and Itlad in no way invalidate ghosts, post-death communications, mediums or any other post-mortem phenomenon and this is why on attending my talks, or meeting me subsequently, advocates of a post-mortem existence (be it Reincarnation, Heaven, Nirvana, Samsara or any other belief)go away very happy and, in many cases, become strong supporters of my theories.
TONY:
Bohmian IMAX Grand Theory Of Everything
(BIGTOE)!!
Love it! Indeed we could have a symbol showing a clock face showing 8 o'clock ( a toe clock - get it!)
*Groan*, *Groan* and thrice *Groan*
(maybe an in-Groan toe nail?)
Of course my famous but very distant relative Mervyn was also into Groans was he not?
I must be suffering from low blood sugar or something.
Time to retire gracefully!!!!
Susan Marie: Thank you for your kind words, and yes I try to unify theories into GUT's (Grand Unified Theories) or basic TOE's (Theories of Everything), which is why Tony and I are fascinated in each others ideas and central aspects of the theories in isoltation, but even more so when taken as an amalgam (each allows the other to operate effectively when considered within the other).
At Nietzsche's "time" the latest advancements in Quantum Physics were merely Science Fiction (much as all tomorrow's science is now), so it is much more evidential now that such fusion of oneness and light to be entirely feasible (we are, after all made of matter, which in turn is atomic and ultimiately energy condensed to a slow vibration).
I welcome your philosophical approach to our ideas here, very much (as you well know), and it is this type of dialectical discourse that helps strengthen or find the weaknesses in my TOEs.
*smile*
*GormanGhast*
(private joke to Tony which is shame given it is a FABO gag, blending alternate Peakes with precisely what Tony and I will do if a certain person should get back to us)
"8 Toe Clock" - HA HA HA!!!
We're back to Bill Haley again!
And welcome Frankie Howerd with the thrice *groan*; "Nay!!"
And "in-groan TOE nail" is literally FABULOUS!
Thank You Tony, as ever mate.
Anonymous???: (Question-Marked, as I don't think you wanted to post that anonymously did you!!?)
I would suggest Ultimate Life as a term for the final run through ("ultimate" having several subtle meanings to convay more than "final" but also "the reason")
"Who wants to live forever" as, ironically, Freddie Mercury once sang, and "forever" along with "time" and "infinity" are merely anthropomorphised concepts of human construct. In your phaneron you do almost live forever; countless recurrances within the Bohmian IMAX. But ultimately I would suggest that space-time would collapse and our particle of consciousness would become subjectively unobserved and thus "we" return to the Consciousness Field, where of course all of our thoughts, memories, dreams and allusions DO exists for far longer.
Tony: Are you suggesting our numerous multiple lives (Many Worlds) share a common existence? A single Daemon with many Eidolons perhaps? One consciousness many times collapsed?
T & K... did you synchronize your Sunday morning alarm clocks for 10:30am? You guys toe-tally crack me up!
Robin:
You said: "We, as sentient beings, create particles of subjective consciousness as we observe our way through our recurrences. These particles must be stored (in the form of memories?) awaiting the point in time when they will join some alternate plane of existence."
- I'm glad that everyone is beginning to grasp the deeper concepts behind my theory, it's amazing to see it happening in real-time (erm, so to speak).
You ask if "these particles must be stored (in the form of memories)" - well, this is almost what I suggest in my theory. ALL OF US, is a subjective particle of consciousness which our sentience has collapsed from the Consciousness Field (waveform). This creates independent thought, independent memories and independent decision-making within all of us. So these particles ARE "stored" within the minds of us all. And it is only at the end of my Ultimate Life that I assert we lose sentience as it has no space-time in which to recur thereby the particle becomes unobserved and return to the wavefunction.
So I'm interested in your "Supernova of Consciousness" analolgy as I've aready postulated that ULTIMATELY our un-collapsed particle of consciousness WILL rejoin the Akashic Records or Consciousness Field in wave form.
Thank You, as ever, Robin!
RAC: I can't answer for Tony but that's not what I'm suggesting no. By definition the Daemon shares the experiences of just one Eidolon. So a UDI (Unified Daemon Interpretation) would quickly fall to investigation. You are right, however, in asking if we are all "One consciousness many times collapsed?", which is what I've been banging on about for a dog's age on here. And interestingly, if we do indeed all collapse the objective consciousness wave to create multiple particles of subjective consciousness, then Everett's MWI no longer requires solely Parallel Universes, as surely within this very Universe we live in we can see the Parallel Lives of every one else we know and meet, who within themselves are differently subjectively collapsed particles from the same objective consciousness field as you are!
Robin:
Hee Hee!!
Marketing Idea:
ITLADian Synchrondipity Alarm Clocks!!
*giggle*
It's a good job I can laugh, given the amount of ludicrous thinking I do!!!!
Karl, I used Supernova as an analogy because it seemed that the shrinking of our time-line to Planck’s constant might create something akin to mass out of particles of consciousness. Much like a dying star collapses to form a black hole then explodes to expel stellar remnants, so the Supernova of Consciousness releases our experiences to the universe.
Robin: Yes, I know, and it was a particularly astute and powerful anaology to use which I like very much and which I am certainly going to consider alongside more writings on my theory this evening.
*hugs*
ps, for those interested in this kind of brainache stuff, there is a FABO book called "Science and the Akashic Field" by Ervin Laszlo, and I am hoping to have Ervin read some of my theory very soon.
The ISAC (ITLADian Synchrondipity Alarm Clock) timepiece, sold at exclusively at Bergdorf Goodman's.
;-)
Robin: *giggles*
Ah! Now, the beauty of the ITLADian Synchrondipity Alarm Clock is that you can't simply go out to buy one; it will just be there, in a random shop, at the perfect time and for the perfect reason one day.
Or on ebay, obviously !
*smile*
This is why I feel MWI is like that 800 pound gorilla in the room; it poses more questions than it answers. If one exists as an infinitely growing number of individual selves then the phenomenon of CTF seems rather insignificant. The death of a single life becomes like a fallen leaf from a giant oak. And though the leaf may return the following spring, it fails to define the life of the tree.
Actually, the tree makes a nice analogy. Each life becomes a new branch as it works thru its numerous cycles. Like the tree, this branch supports the numerous other lives which spring forth from it. "As above, so below." ...I think I just answered my own question.
... The Tree of Life.
RAC:
The Tree of the Sephiroth
Weird. I am sitting in the garden reading Joseph Dan's book "Kabbalah" and wrestling with the Daemonic inplications of the concept "ein sof". On the page I am reading is a Latin schematic drawing of the ten divine emanations, the tree of the Sephiroth!
KARL: "Anonymous" who made the earlier posting is Johar. She is having problems logging on today.
And I am lolling in my garden re-reading "Science and the Akashic Field" sending reminders to Tony that he really should listen to what his mate Karl says on occassion as in between the ale-infused rhubarb is often pieces of gold.
I sent you an email re the Sephiroth in January sometime!
Hee! Hee!:
I gathered it was dear Johar: and she has problems "logging on" to many things!!
*smile*
It's working those long nights that does it eh JoJo?
*wink*
OH HELP ME RHONDA!! AS Jerry Seinfeld once said... all this is tooo fascinating and profound for early morne... I am going to take all in later!!! But I picked myself up from the floor... I LOVED*GhormenGhast# eons ago!!! Never made the Peake connection!!! Well coming Events cast their shadow before... !!! The Quantam Entanglement is now a gigantic Ball of wool none of us kittens will EVER unravel!!! But don't we have fun trying !!! I must return... not champers infused either!!!
Regards to all, Karl your brain waves must resonate on the highest level possible while in Physical World!!!
Regards to All
Jesamyn.
*Private PS to Karl* my word verification is FOXWHT!!!! remind you of an album by a certain group??? !!!!
Jesamyn:
AH! Sweet JezBear, what a delight to have your Aussie ramblings (Champers-infused or otherwise) on here again!
Didn't the Beach Boys have a similar sentiment? This Rhonda was a helpful soul wasn't she; helping everyone who asked!
(Sounds like me - hmmmm!!)
Yeah, GormanGhast *giggles to Tony* was FABO wasn't it, and Mervyn Peake is indeed a relative, oft removed, and somewhere within the genealogy of our esteemed Papa Peake
*remembers discussion with Tony in comfy chairs amidst ale-infusion around that topic, mixed with Derek Jacobi and Mr Pye*
But anyway, enough of this wistfull perambulation down paths previous.
Loving the imagery of my fellow ITLADians Quantumly Entangled in wool: Charlie (my gay cat) would have lots of fun with that before putting on his diamante encrusted collar and going mincing up the road to wherever he goes (must attach a webcam to him one day so we can see just what a gay cat gets up to all day - images of lapping up milk in FABULOUS bowls, tiny leather pants and Erasure playing in the background come to mind).
I agree Jez, the whole point of my efforts on here are to a) Inform and Entertain, b) Create a Carnaval of Cerebral Consciousness and c) Chuck in a few dubious gags and puns of the questionable variety all in the name of keeping it fun.
And your compliment is lovely, thank you. You alwasy have me as your personal guide through the tracherous waters of the ITLADian seas to assist you if I can.
*private ps back to JezBear, would it be Pearl Jam, for Eddie Vedder and the boys are often humoured by placing verification codes on stuff for secret purposes known only to those in the know? Failing that, please do tell!!!*
oooooh or could it be, knowing you, "The Fox", by Elton John????
Ok So I need to read up on The Akashic records but I assume from the way it had been explained that it has something to do with the consciousness field, memory storage or something. Feel free to enlighten me!
An intriguing thought came to me as I was reading through the posts. Is it possible to have a subjective consciousness that is both Virgin Lifer and Ultimate Lifer? Living the ultimate daemonic life the first time the particle wave collapsed and became sentient?
Johar: Once again, I have a question in my mind, but I don't speak it. I go to the blog, and you have appeared, and spoken the exact question that was silent in me. This has now happened four times, and it is scaring me. Coupled with that weird coincidence with the deaths of our respective husbands and fathers, I feel that you are some sort of double, like Poe's William Wilson. And as is always the case for me, the question that you have kindly spoken in my stead is one without an answer.
Susan Marie, If there was ever any evidence that we've been here before then I strongly feel that our encounters are the proof. When I first joined the blog and discovered your circumstances, I had a deep, instinctive feeling that we'd 'met' before. It was the same when I saw Tony's picture as well, I 'knew' him.
Our entangled minds are forming some sort of coherence in space and time. Maybe our shared circumstances are creating connections. I know I am enriched and enlightened by your philosophy and thoughts. Again, for me it is not the who is in our lives but the why.
Part of the reason I asked the original question was because I had no instinctive feeling that I'd met or interacted with Karl before and now we're best buds. Just what is his cunning plan I wonder? World domination and vast harems no doubt!! hehe
And the reason I asked this question was because of a comment Robin made: Might this mean that the final go-round, the Ultimate Life, is much like a Supernova of consciousness releasing all collected particles back to the Akashic Records; perhaps exploding from the individual in bursts of creativity and hyper-awareness?
Doesn't that sound like Karl?
oh just to clarify, When i said it's not the who is in our lives it's the why, I may have sounded a bit selfish. Of course the people in my life are extremely important to me for who they are and not just what they can offer my existence!
I was merely musing that I've often wondered why certain people arrive, have an effect and sometimes don't always stay. Hope that clears things up! Or not as the case may be!
Johar; I am moved by your candor, and your lovely remarks. I, too, experienced the uncanny when you wrote me about the similarity of our fearing the beloved husband dying the father's death, and the surreal experience of precisely this event, the one most dreaded and feared, occurring. Yes, I have told Tony that I knew his picture, almost too well. Unfortunately, I felt this about Karl's as well, despite no one else experiencing similar. With him, it may have been that lightening-swift shock of recognition, which is not so much a remembering, but a sudden grasping, comprehending, of what presents himself. In the first several seconds of viewing it, I had accounted all his qualities. Months of knowing him has only confirmed the original assessment : this was no false accounting; I had discerned correctly. In any case, he is otherworldly. I also am enriched by your own reflections, and thankful to you, and others on this blog. There is indeed some entanglement , which makes bearable for me the massive loss which has ended the normal trajectory of mid-life ( for me, all ended at age 45). thank you for your remarks.
Susan Marie, I pray not all is ended for you and you find a way through your massive loss as I am endeavouring to do. You are invaluable here and I send you consciously positive thoughts of a life that brings you peace, hope and love. It is no less than you deserve X
Thank you, Johar; your kind words are most appreciated, and reveal a lovely character. Again, thank you. I of course send all my very best wishes to you as well.
Johar, many people who contribute to this blog are extremely creative & intelligent but Karl is the hyper-aware person I was thinking of when I typed my earlier comment. I've only known him a few weeks but it seems like an eternity.
Hopefully not too many ITLADians are in their final recurrence. Who'd post to this blog in the next go-around?
As for myself, I don't feel like this is my virgin run but certainly it's not my final. I'm like a wide-eyed child taking it all in and learning as I go. I enjoy being sentient. My journey is more important than the destination at this point.
I have a question for all you (Karl's harem included) who are aware of the daemon within you and have the sense of reoccurrence. What has made you aware of the daemon? Was it a deja vu, a voice, a premonition, something else? Some of you may have already stated this so forgive me this repetition. After so many blogs I become forgetful. For me the sense of daemon came with a premonition and a voice? Did you all have something that seemed to suggest the daemon?
HI, RA: My experience has been identical to your own: the voice, and the premonition. I think we had spoken to each other via email about the sickly weather in autumn just prior to our catastrophes, and forgive me for mentioning it here, but it seems uncanny, and most important. What could it possibly indicate? As it happened to us both, it seems more than chance, and yet the weather is so vast and has ramifications for so many, it must be daemonic recognition of the entanglement involving many catastrophes at once. Actually, here in the US we have experienced storms in our southern and western regions, the likes of which have not been seen in decades, and they seem to be following upon the heels of upsets in the election primaries. Ruth, write me an email if the spirit moves you, always so welcome!
Johar: Two FABO books to read on the Akashic are: "Science and the Akashic Field" by Ervin Laszlo and "The Field by Lynne McTaggart
Other excellent books around my theory are "The Conscious Universe by Dean Radin and The Self-Aware Universe by Amit Goswami
Basically you are right. The Akashic Field or Information Universe of Collective Daemonic Consciousness has many titles but the Akashic Records or Chronicle is the field where everyting that has ever happened to matter and consciousness exists and even anything that can and will happen.
I would NOT say that a subjective particle of consciousness could have a Vrigin Life and Ultimate Life contemporaneously for that would mean Daemonic Virgin Birth with No Eidolon at all - a new concept to consider but one which I am immediately inclined to say NO to, but as we all know, we have often little clue what I will come back with when I've gone to think this weirdness through.
Susan Marie: Was your question the Virgin Life AND Ultimiate Life hypothesis?
My question was whether the two might in some sense be one and the same, for a time.
Johar:
*shocked face*
"I had no instinctive feeling that I'd met or interacted with Karl before and now we're best buds"
coupled with:
"Just what is his cunning plan I wonder? World domination and vast harems no doubt!! hehe"
*tuts at JoJo*
World domination? NAH! I'd have to build a secret lair into a mountain side somewhere and learn how to stroke Charlie in a menacing way (although I think Charlie may well approve of the crushed velvet cushion)! And a harem? OH MY GOSH! No, just let's all go for a drink and talk the now legendary toot!!
But thank you for your final astonishing compliment, I am deeply honoured and humbled.
Susan Marie:
Hi, my Dear Lady, I answered that in the comments two above your answer, I'm not sure it would be possible no, as such would be a Christ-like Daemonic Virgin Birth and we don't want to open the Theological can of worms do we????
NOOOOO!!!
Will consdier it though, as with everything.
Thank You.
Robin:
WOW, thank you for your words, I'm blown away by everyone's kind thoughts and encouragement of just a nice lad from the North of England who occasionally becomes a nice lad from Camden Town now and again.
Funnily enough though Robin, most people who sit in a pub talking to me end up feeling like they've been there an eternity!!!
*smile*
You're a re-runner Robin, keep on runnin' girl, keep on runnin'
*grin*
Ra from Ca:
*tuts at Ruth for yet another "harem" comment*
I personally think the path to the Daemon differs from person to person through tragedy, joy, being lost, finding self etc etc. My search has been fruitless as yet, and believe me, I have tried and put myself in front on all manner of "specialist" people.
But then, if this is my Ultimate Life, I won't ever find my Daemon will I, as I already am it !!!
Thanks Ruth.
Ra,
My daemon awareness began with a voice and over the years I've had many precognitive feelings and a couple of voice encounters. I used words like instincts, gut reaction, sense of knowing. Now I believe it was daemonic nudges. It's funny but I wasn't aware of just how many of these 'nudges' I've had until I read the book and looked back over my memories. Ra, do you do a lot of meditation and stuff, you sound very self aware, what do you find works well for you to open yourself up to your daemon?
Robin, You mentioned being tired like a toddler in a previous post and I immediately felt the affinity with those words and now you've talked about your wide eyed child taking it all in! I too feel that sense of wonder and wow. Like you, I know this isn't my first run but I also know it won't be my last! It's a journey all right! I do have a deep sense though that there is some evolving going on in this run that I haven't had in previous ones. What about you?
Karl, I'd like more elaboration on the virgin daemon suggestion. There's been previous discussion about the evolving consciousness and where we might all be heading in respect of this. Wouldn't children born daemon the first time round be a natural evolutionary step in our development and conscious awareness. Higher vibration, more awareness, sensory abilities etc?
I think we are all , as a collective on this blog creating higher vibrations, and we've been drawn together as like minds seeking fulfillment and enrichment and maybe answers as well. I believe this will have an affect on those around us and over time the next generations. Minds affecting matter. Is this not evolution of sorts?
Johar:
Thanks for answering my question about the daemon. (If this is Karl's virginal life perhaps our disclosures will help prepare him for his next manifestation.)
Do I meditate. Yes I try to meditate. I also have been drawing and painting which is a form of meditation that takes you out of left brain processing and into right brain processes (If I understanding this correctly.) Also painting seems to be linking me to a timeless space as this is the form my premonition took.
Like a lot of North Americans at this time, I am quite taken with Eckhart Tolle's work on "being in the now" and meditation as a way of being more present. If you haven't read him, I do recommend his "A New Earth". You can also view him interviewed by Oprah at her website.
Interestingly, his story works with Anthony's daemon. He was suicidal and very despondent, when he said to himself "I can't live with myself any longer." He then realized what a peculiar thought it was. "Am I one or two? If I cannot live with myself there must be two of me: the "I" and the "self" that I cannot live with" "Maybe" I thought "only one of them is real."
So Tolle's take on the bicameral mind is that if you live in the now you are less prone to the divided mind dominated by a delusional and punishing ego. He writes with clarity on these issues, and people seem to be taking to his idea in droves, with the help of Oprah.
In any case I find the idea of our two minds and how the brain functions absolutely fascinating.
Does anybody have any suggestions as to how we can get CTF and ITLAD to be noticed by Oprah or her producers? I am absolutely sure that they would be fascinated by it. Clearly as the author it may be less easy for me to make such an approach. Does any of the USA or Canadian based readers of this blog know how to contact the programme - and if so would they be willing to make such an approach on my behalf?
Well, I for one most certainly would do all in my power, on your behalf: trust it. I may have to investigate, but I will set myself to the task with all the connections I can muster. Also: I did take it upon myself to write to KLLM, telling him of the American authors, Howe and Strauss, because I see a parallel with what is occurring with you and K. It is just a thought; more of my grist for the mill, and can write more on it later, and am in no way trying to be forward, but am only stating what I see. I hope you are very well, Tony.
TONY: I wanted to add, so you will understand my approach re Oprah, that when I st myself to a task, I may use a slow method, but it is a steady one, and I don't rest until I have reached my goal. I can think of several ways to drive a wedge in; some having to do with connections with well-published US authors, who might approach for me if I play my cards right; others involved with US journalism. And I know that O. is a huge Barack Obama supporter, and has campaigned heavily on his behalf, and I do have many connections in the Democratic party, such as Senators and lobbyists. I will think on it, long and hard. SMK
Anthony:
I would be happy to write Oprah's producers about your book as well.
She is doing a series of webcasts on spiritual matters called the Soul Series. Last night she interviewed Jill Bolte and I believe you will be able to download it. I joined her book club (free of charge) to listen to the Tolle series which is also on the web.
Oprah has done a lot to open the minds of North Americans to possibilites beyond a strict and literal bible belt reading of life, and has been a huge inspiration to those who want to contribute to the world. She is an amazing woman.
By the way, just went to her website and her contributing doctor, Dr. Oz is doing a piece on past life regressions today.
Jo:
Minds affecting matter. Is this not evolution of sorts?
Absolutely!
And another absolute YES to your question about my own personal evolution during this run. Our zeitgeist is truely one of enlightenment! Ain't it fun?
Ra, I've read some of Tolle's work and found his ideas very much in line with Tony's and I found his 'being in the now philosophy' very useful as one who is impatient and always running around and looking forward. I think it's a case of being in the now and letting the daemon take care of the rest and letting you know when you need to think ahead and prepare.
I've just bought an easel, funnily enough as I have a desire to sketch. I used to draw in my younger days then left it behind. Like you I think it will be good therapy so I'm going to start again.
Robin - IT'S GREAT FUN!
My pain is so much more bearable because I'm here and you all are part of the healing.
THANKS
xxxxxx
Johar:
I'm happy to be entangled. It does make it more bearable.
Ra,
That's a lovely way of putting it!!
I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to Johar for starting this post and for the comments of Susan Marie, Ra from Ca, Jesamyn, Robin, RAC and the others, and of course Tony.
It is deeply humbling and enormously rewarding to hear all your comments regarding how Tony's CTF and my own theories, both within ITLAD and in my Consciousness Theory, have touched so many of you in such personal ways and brought us all together.
The Quantum Entaglement of our subjective particles of consciousness has affected the mind and matter of our mutually observed universes many times over and that, when you really think about it, is MASSIVE!
So, to bring it back to original post topic........Am I experiencing my "Virgin Life" and have been fortunate enough to have realised this during my first run through, or am I indeed on my "Ultimate Life", entirely Daemonic and a gestalt legion of thousands of past lives, memories and experiences?
CRIKEY!!
AWWWW Karl, Is your ego a quivering wreck under the stairs *smiles*
A big THANK YOU back to Tony for the book and the blog and to you for continuing the theory and patiently waiting for the likes of me to catch up! And your witty one liners, of course!!The word LOLLING is a permanent fixture in my vocab!
However I did ask you for some clarification a few post back, I will repeat:
Karl, I'd like more elaboration on the virgin daemon suggestion. There's been previous discussion about the evolving consciousness and where we might all be heading in respect of this. Wouldn't children born daemon the first time round be a natural evolutionary step in our development and conscious awareness. Higher vibration, more awareness, sensory abilities etc?
Johar:
He likes it there!
And thank you for your words, I like to add to the vocabulary of this land as often as I can!
Now, I agree with your evolution of consciousness idea yes, that fits in with my theory and within ITLAD. I'm a tad confused regarding your "Children born Daemon first time round" question though? Can you expand on that thought-process?
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